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Spl chart for a SWR goliath senior?
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I looked up a lot of info while looking for a cab. While volume isn't what I was after, I can tell you that the Goliath Sr is one of the loudest out there. With a sensitivity of 110 and power handling of 1200 watts, it will reach 140db. For comparison, the Berg NV610 does 131 and the Genz Benz GB 610T-XB2 hits 134.
I'm real curious about Mesa stuff, but I can't find any specs for them (outside of weight and power handling) anywhere. I'm considering adding a PH 610 to the new rig in 6 months or so and want to make sure it would be a good match.
I'm real curious about Mesa stuff, but I can't find any specs for them (outside of weight and power handling) anywhere. I'm considering adding a PH 610 to the new rig in 6 months or so and want to make sure it would be a good match.
i already have one. its great for everything except for the lower Hz. it is tuned as a low/mid cab as most are. i need the spl chart to compare it with other cabs that can go louder lower.
Are you saying their sensitivity numbers are wrong, or their power handling numbers are off? The 140db I calculated using several different online calculators to verify the answer. Understand that the number is at 1 meter.
To the OP - I guess I'm still not quite sure what you are after. You asked for SPL charts. freq response usually assume a 3db rolloff. Freq response for the Goliath doesn't go very low. There are plenty that go lower. The Goliath Sr is 55-14k.
To name but a few that go lower (talking about freq response, not "usuable freq":
Acme - any of them - 41hz
Aguilar DB410 - 4hz
Ampeg SVT-410HLF - 40 48hz
Basson B410B 28hz
Behringer BB410 38hz
Eden Neo D410XSTN 35hz
Epifani PS410 36hz
Epifani UL2-410 40hz
GK Goldline 410GLX 30hz
GK Neo 410 45hz
Genze Benz Uber Bass 410T-UB8 45hz
Markbass 104 Ported Neo (either): 35hz
Nemesis RW410 48hz
Peavey TVX410 30 hz
Schroder 410 light/regular: 40hz
Bergantino NV610 48hz
Genz Benz GB 610T-XB2 35hz
SWR Goliath IV 40hz (yes, the 4x10 goes lower than the 6x10)
Markbass CL 104 Closed Neo 50hz
Genz Benz NeoX-212T 42hz
GK Neo 112-II 36hz
Of course, it all depends on how much you believe their specs.
If you really want to get into some sick low end, look into the Bag End S18E-D with processor. Should be good down to 18hz.
If you are trying to match up cabs and you like the SWR sound, just get a big bertha or 4 and be done with it.
Otherwise, soundwise, you really need to play them with your rig and make sure the sound works for you.
From a strictly SPL standpoint, it gets really complicated... there's rolloff rates, cabinet resonance, room resonance, the fact that human hearing isn't linear, most everybody has at least some hearing loss, etc.
I'm rambling, and afraid I still don't have the charts, but this info may be of use to somebody. It took me quite a while to compile.
If you are really interested in your cabinets performance, I would recommend getting some leveled (same volume) test tones and one of those cheap radio shack SPL meters, and *test the cabinet where you play*. You can make an SPL and/or freq chart in 20 minutes and you'll know how YOUR cabinet performs in YOUR situation.
Good luck!
To the OP - I guess I'm still not quite sure what you are after. You asked for SPL charts. freq response usually assume a 3db rolloff. Freq response for the Goliath doesn't go very low. There are plenty that go lower. The Goliath Sr is 55-14k.
To name but a few that go lower (talking about freq response, not "usuable freq":
Acme - any of them - 41hz
Aguilar DB410 - 4hz
Ampeg SVT-410HLF - 40 48hz
Basson B410B 28hz
Behringer BB410 38hz
Eden Neo D410XSTN 35hz
Epifani PS410 36hz
Epifani UL2-410 40hz
GK Goldline 410GLX 30hz
GK Neo 410 45hz
Genze Benz Uber Bass 410T-UB8 45hz
Markbass 104 Ported Neo (either): 35hz
Nemesis RW410 48hz
Peavey TVX410 30 hz
Schroder 410 light/regular: 40hz
Bergantino NV610 48hz
Genz Benz GB 610T-XB2 35hz
SWR Goliath IV 40hz (yes, the 4x10 goes lower than the 6x10)
Markbass CL 104 Closed Neo 50hz
Genz Benz NeoX-212T 42hz
GK Neo 112-II 36hz
Of course, it all depends on how much you believe their specs.
If you really want to get into some sick low end, look into the Bag End S18E-D with processor. Should be good down to 18hz.
If you are trying to match up cabs and you like the SWR sound, just get a big bertha or 4 and be done with it.
Otherwise, soundwise, you really need to play them with your rig and make sure the sound works for you.
From a strictly SPL standpoint, it gets really complicated... there's rolloff rates, cabinet resonance, room resonance, the fact that human hearing isn't linear, most everybody has at least some hearing loss, etc.
I'm rambling, and afraid I still don't have the charts, but this info may be of use to somebody. It took me quite a while to compile.
If you are really interested in your cabinets performance, I would recommend getting some leveled (same volume) test tones and one of those cheap radio shack SPL meters, and *test the cabinet where you play*. You can make an SPL and/or freq chart in 20 minutes and you'll know how YOUR cabinet performs in YOUR situation.
Good luck!
i know what my cab sounds like and can or "cannot" do in my circumstance.
i was looking for a spl chart to compare other cabs i have found to narrow down my search(can't try them all). the chart should look like this.
but for the swr goliath senior. thanks for you compilation.
btw your numbers are not taken in context and it is the fault of the sellers. those are the rating of what the speakers are capable of, not the cabs they are in. to produce those numbers at any volume you would need a "long" horn loaded cab. a square box, ported or short horned is still just a woofer, not a subwoofer, no matter how big the speaker is. i have a 4" subwoofer horn that puts out way more low Hz than a box loaded 18" cab.
i was looking for a spl chart to compare other cabs i have found to narrow down my search(can't try them all). the chart should look like this.
but for the swr goliath senior. thanks for you compilation.
btw your numbers are not taken in context and it is the fault of the sellers. those are the rating of what the speakers are capable of, not the cabs they are in. to produce those numbers at any volume you would need a "long" horn loaded cab. a square box, ported or short horned is still just a woofer, not a subwoofer, no matter how big the speaker is. i have a 4" subwoofer horn that puts out way more low Hz than a box loaded 18" cab.
I understand what the chart is.. I just don't have it - easy to make though.
That's interesting information about the specs being for the speakers, not the cabinet. I'm not doubting you, but I've never heard that before. If that's the case.... what a crock! Why publish them at all?
Subhorns rock. Ever see that concrete one that was made? The size of a basement. Crazy! And then there's the PVC instrument that hit 4Hz... that's my winter project.
That's interesting information about the specs being for the speakers, not the cabinet. I'm not doubting you, but I've never heard that before. If that's the case.... what a crock! Why publish them at all?
Subhorns rock. Ever see that concrete one that was made? The size of a basement. Crazy! And then there's the PVC instrument that hit 4Hz... that's my winter project.
yeah 4hz.......thats like killing some animal 20 miles away with a 80 foot wave of bass and you would not even hear a thing.
the watts numbers game is a crock as well. max? constant load? at what hz?
some thicker paper speakers need mass watts to make them move. a thinner more sensitive one will knock you down with 7 watts.
its more about what you play and what you want to hear. i have almost perfected my wobble wobble wobble, so now i need a cab that can reach down there and not blow up without taking up the whole stage.
the watts numbers game is a crock as well. max? constant load? at what hz?
some thicker paper speakers need mass watts to make them move. a thinner more sensitive one will knock you down with 7 watts.
its more about what you play and what you want to hear. i have almost perfected my wobble wobble wobble, so now i need a cab that can reach down there and not blow up without taking up the whole stage.
I own and gig with a PH 610, and use a Goliath Sr during rehearsals on a regular basis... I also own an SVT-410HLF, and use several different SVT-810e cabs on provided backlines on a regular basis...
What would you like to know about the PH 610??? I'll be glad to offer any comparisons of the above cabs, if you want any specifics...
- georgestrings
To my knowledge, Mesa doesn't publish any specs - and to me, they don't mean a whole lot, anyways... *most* cab specs are purely marketing BS, IME...
- georgestrings
I've tried googling it but got goofy results. How does one go about generating such a plot/graph? What tools are needed?
Leveled test tones a cheap radio shack spl meter, a tripod, and something to record the results with. play each test tone frequency and record the SPL, then graph it. SPL charts are a bit more tricky as you need to know how much power you are outputting.
Google does have some flaky results, but try this thread (another board):
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Google does have some flaky results, but try this thread (another board):
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depends on the intentions. If you are only interested in the cabinet, yes, outdoors. If you want to see what the cabinet is really doing, put it where you use it at the volume you use it, and measure it from as close to the center of where the crowd is that you can... or if an odd shaped venue, average a few keep spots.
The more I learn, the more I realize it's all just crap. Not being negative, it's just the way it is. room response, human ear frequency response, and the fact that a room (bar/club) with a few 100 people in it has a vastly different response (and noise floor) than when it's empty makes it all intellectual fodder at best.
Become friends with a good salesman that can get you a liberal return/exchange policy.. and don't bother with finding somebody with really good ears, and certainly don't rely on your soundman... with all due respect, most of them have severe hearing loss from being around loud equipment their whole lives.
Find a sound you love, find songs you enjoy playing that also get the crowd moving, and you are golden.
The more I learn, the more I realize it's all just crap. Not being negative, it's just the way it is. room response, human ear frequency response, and the fact that a room (bar/club) with a few 100 people in it has a vastly different response (and noise floor) than when it's empty makes it all intellectual fodder at best.
Become friends with a good salesman that can get you a liberal return/exchange policy.. and don't bother with finding somebody with really good ears, and certainly don't rely on your soundman... with all due respect, most of them have severe hearing loss from being around loud equipment their whole lives.
Find a sound you love, find songs you enjoy playing that also get the crowd moving, and you are golden.
