Thanks. Yeah that daphne blue is real sweet! Stick some concentric knobs and you got a real 60s vibe right there!
The sunburst looks nice though. But it's still hard to tell how it would look with a black pickgaurd and maple block and bound neck.
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Squier Classic Vibe 2019
- Thread starter LkS
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Thanks. Yeah that daphne blue is real sweet! Stick some concentric knobs and you got a real 60s vibe right there!
The sunburst looks nice though. But it's still hard to tell how it would look with a black pickgaurd and maple block and bound neck.
My few hours visit at GC yesterday.
VM PJ vs 2019 CV P
-Neck -very similar neck profile, I believe the new CV p neck just a clone VM p neck. Both are comfort as my MIC CV60P and VM fretless P neck.
-Tuning machine look better on VM PJ, new CV tuning peg shape just like Aliexpress replacement parts.
- both fret work are ok, less shap fret edge than my previous 2018 MIM player P. The tall fret on CV P actually not as tall as tall fret on Am Pro. Just imaging the slim version of Ibanez SR300/500 medium jumbo fret.
- Sound (through Fender Rumble 500 combo) Yes, both p pup nail the P bass voice that pbass should.The New CV pbass pup also has no scoop tone that I recall the stock pickips on my MIC CV60P.
- Bridge. The himass bridge on VM PJ are fine, but the threatsaddle on new CV P bridge are not the real Fender threatsaddle bridge. Zink saddle vs Nickel saddle . You can find pretty similar bridge if search on Aliexpress.
- overall build quality and paint job are nice on both VM PJ and new CV p. Bridge are well align to pickup and fret dot.Neck pocket are tight.
To be continue......
VM PJ vs 2019 CV P
-Neck -very similar neck profile, I believe the new CV p neck just a clone VM p neck. Both are comfort as my MIC CV60P and VM fretless P neck.
-Tuning machine look better on VM PJ, new CV tuning peg shape just like Aliexpress replacement parts.
- both fret work are ok, less shap fret edge than my previous 2018 MIM player P. The tall fret on CV P actually not as tall as tall fret on Am Pro. Just imaging the slim version of Ibanez SR300/500 medium jumbo fret.
- Sound (through Fender Rumble 500 combo) Yes, both p pup nail the P bass voice that pbass should.The New CV pbass pup also has no scoop tone that I recall the stock pickips on my MIC CV60P.
- Bridge. The himass bridge on VM PJ are fine, but the threatsaddle on new CV P bridge are not the real Fender threatsaddle bridge. Zink saddle vs Nickel saddle . You can find pretty similar bridge if search on Aliexpress.
- overall build quality and paint job are nice on both VM PJ and new CV p. Bridge are well align to pickup and fret dot.Neck pocket are tight.
To be continue......
Inca silver CV60J vs 2019 Daphne blue CV J.
The main reason I visit GC because the New Daphne blue CV J in stock. In past, I wish a seafoam green or surf green on CV Jazz.
When I saw the Daphne blue CV J, the colour are different than the Daphne blue on my previous Squier deluxe strat !!!! The strat has light green tint on it, but the CV J just look really bluish.
Neck . No much different on both new and old jazz neck profile. Just I feel the old CV jazz neck are bit rounder on first 3 frets.
Tuning machine. Honestly, I love the nickel coat and the look of long tuning peg on old CV J which close to vintage bass look.
Bridge. The himass bridge has better quality than the new bridge on 2019 CV Jazz. I just don't like 20mm string spacing and thick plate of old himass bridge with can't reach the low action I prefer.
Fret board wood. Damn. The new wood on 2019 CVJ make the bass look like cheap bass when sit site by site with old CV 60J. The dark rosewood on old one look classy and expensive-like bass.
Fret .The tall fret on new CV j just a little taller than vintage fret on old CV J. Not the tall fret you can found on Fender Am Pro bass.
Weight. I can feel the 2019 CV j are pound lighter than old one on my hand. The Inca silver CV 60J has pretty similar weight as my previous CV 60J which around 10lbs.
Sound. (Same rumble 500 combo). Tone licking are personally. The old CV J sound much better and juicy to my ear compare to dry sounding on new CV J. I believe the new bass use different pickup compare to old one.
Above just my few hours personal experience, I dint found any supprise on the new CV J except weight and cheaper price tag compare to old one.
Do you guys believe that the Indonesian made CV bass just a VM bass with different name ?
The main reason I visit GC because the New Daphne blue CV J in stock. In past, I wish a seafoam green or surf green on CV Jazz.
When I saw the Daphne blue CV J, the colour are different than the Daphne blue on my previous Squier deluxe strat !!!! The strat has light green tint on it, but the CV J just look really bluish.
Neck . No much different on both new and old jazz neck profile. Just I feel the old CV jazz neck are bit rounder on first 3 frets.
Tuning machine. Honestly, I love the nickel coat and the look of long tuning peg on old CV J which close to vintage bass look.
Bridge. The himass bridge has better quality than the new bridge on 2019 CV Jazz. I just don't like 20mm string spacing and thick plate of old himass bridge with can't reach the low action I prefer.
Fret board wood. Damn. The new wood on 2019 CVJ make the bass look like cheap bass when sit site by site with old CV 60J. The dark rosewood on old one look classy and expensive-like bass.
Fret .The tall fret on new CV j just a little taller than vintage fret on old CV J. Not the tall fret you can found on Fender Am Pro bass.
Weight. I can feel the 2019 CV j are pound lighter than old one on my hand. The Inca silver CV 60J has pretty similar weight as my previous CV 60J which around 10lbs.
Sound. (Same rumble 500 combo). Tone licking are personally. The old CV J sound much better and juicy to my ear compare to dry sounding on new CV J. I believe the new bass use different pickup compare to old one.
Above just my few hours personal experience, I dint found any supprise on the new CV J except weight and cheaper price tag compare to old one.
Do you guys believe that the Indonesian made CV bass just a VM bass with different name ?
The bridge is okay though? For the tuners, it's a bit of a shame that the VM had better ones!
So I'm hearing the main disappointment is the hardware in the new CV's, which can be swapped out and installed yourself. How much does a nice pair of tuners cost, or one of those omega hi mass bridges? Buy them, pop them on yourself that's not too much trouble for me.
I'm interested in what people are thinking of the wood though, because that IS something that you can't change, that is the bass. Is poplar really that bad? How much better is alder really, is there much differences at all? I mean, they are both just a slab of wood how much does it really matter? Please I'm not trying to be ignorant I'm just not much experienced in this area I would appreciate some further insight on this!
Also, regarding the new 70s jazz bass vs the MIM Geddy, maple is maple right? Both maple necks. How much difference is there? Are the necks on the Squier good? I can't imagine the Geddy's necks are much better, I have heard SO many people with a lot of neck issues on the Geddys.
I would like to know how much the woods and construction differences between the CV70 and Geddy actually matter. As far as hardware goes, the new Squiers seem to be good, from few reviews, perhaps not as good as previous chinese classic vibes. And the pickups, at least to me, sound great. So basically what I am asking is where are the spots where the $1000 differences in wood and construction are actually going to affect me, whether it's sound, feel, durability, whatever!
Thanks
I'm interested in what people are thinking of the wood though, because that IS something that you can't change, that is the bass. Is poplar really that bad? How much better is alder really, is there much differences at all? I mean, they are both just a slab of wood how much does it really matter? Please I'm not trying to be ignorant I'm just not much experienced in this area I would appreciate some further insight on this!
Also, regarding the new 70s jazz bass vs the MIM Geddy, maple is maple right? Both maple necks. How much difference is there? Are the necks on the Squier good? I can't imagine the Geddy's necks are much better, I have heard SO many people with a lot of neck issues on the Geddys.
I would like to know how much the woods and construction differences between the CV70 and Geddy actually matter. As far as hardware goes, the new Squiers seem to be good, from few reviews, perhaps not as good as previous chinese classic vibes. And the pickups, at least to me, sound great. So basically what I am asking is where are the spots where the $1000 differences in wood and construction are actually going to affect me, whether it's sound, feel, durability, whatever!
Thanks
That's my impression too after playing a couple. They're OK, but not a patch on the older MIC models - I cancelled my order of the Daphne Blue Jazz. I love the colour, but it's inferior in every other way to my current CV Jazz.
I mean, look on the bright side: Everyone still loves the VM's, right! I know many people who still say to this day it's there go to bass. For the money, nothing beats it in terms of quality, playability and sound. (The classic vibes do at least look better though!) They are still a great instrument. True, VERY disappointing that there has been no improvement with the new CV's, but that doesn't mean the existing formula isn't still really good!
You guys are raining on my parade here... the thing is can't afford any Fenders! That's why I have been so drawn to this new Classic vibe series, especially the 70s bass. Besides the older VM 70s basses, I can't get a sweet 70s jazz bass without spending nearly double the price. I'm only going by my past experiences with a chinese Squier affinity jazz bass, and a mexican standard fender jazz bass, and I felt that they were both in the same league, yet at very different price points. I was VERY happy with that affinity.
If this new CV range sounds and feels to me any more than the affinity did, which I expect it should, I will be a happy man!!!
What is more worth it then, a preowned VM 70s bass or new CV 70s bass? I'm starting to have doubts based on all this negitivity.
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Could be The 2019 CV 70 jazz just a combination of VM 77 body + VM 70 block maple neck ?
Or, the Sunburst CV 60P just a sunburst VM PJ bass without Bridge pickup , replace with tall fret and threatsaddle bridge.
Or, the Daphne blue CV jazz just a repainted VM Std Jazz ?
Sorry, Rumble man, the 2019 CV bass has too much similar character with VM bass
Hope I am wrong......
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Since the new Daphne blue CV jazz tone not inspiring me, I been try the white colour Yamaha trbx504 on same rumble combo. The passive tone are truly impressive. Sorry....off topic.
Or, the Sunburst CV 60P just a sunburst VM PJ bass without Bridge pickup , replace with tall fret and threatsaddle bridge.
Or, the Daphne blue CV jazz just a repainted VM Std Jazz ?
Sorry, Rumble man, the 2019 CV bass has too much similar character with VM bass
Hope I am wrong......
Edit.
Since the new Daphne blue CV jazz tone not inspiring me, I been try the white colour Yamaha trbx504 on same rumble combo. The passive tone are truly impressive. Sorry....off topic.
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I mean yes they are inferior, but they're also cheaper. So I guess that's what we get. Indian laurel is less sexy but appears to be as good as rosewood in terms of "tone"
I have a VM As well as a Matt Freeman P bass(CV). There’s certainly nothing wrong with the VM, played in isolation it’s quite a nice bass. But played back to back with the Chinese CV, reveals a big jump in quality.
While I respect your opinion, I do not agree. Define “better quality woods”, both have bodies made of multiple pieces. That comes down to a weather you prefer one type of wood vs. another. The tuners and hardware are great on both, no issues holding a tune. Electronics are easy and relatively easy to change. Plus I have quite a few CTS pots lying around to use. I also have no problem with the stock pickup. Again in my case, the Player wasn’t “better” enough to justify the price difference. YMMV
Not talking about how many pieces really. Go to a store, pick up a Squier with a maple board and a MIM Fender with a maple board and just inspect them closely. The cut of maple on the Fender is a much better quality, and its noticeable even from a distance, much less looking at them up close. Same with the $299 Sterling StingRay 4 with a maple board I had. These cheaper, Indonesian made basses don't use near as good a quality of wood. Not to mention the difference between alder and basswood or agathis is big too.
Ive never kept stock Squire pickups aside from the J. Mascis Jazzmaster, but that's an exceptional guitar and out of the norm. Also swapped all the electronics because everything is cheap on the Squires. How many Squier basses or guitars do you see from the 90s still being sold? I never see any because they aren't built to last that long. I see plenty MIM Fenders from 20-25 years ago up for sale though.
But again, its a personal thing and no one can decide what's right for you. If you don't mind the cheaper woods, electronics, hardware and overall build quality and you like the way a Squier sounds and plays, than that's great and nothing wrong with that. Ive owned several Squiers in the past and may again one day. I just don't think the current pricing is a big enough gap to justify the lower end bass unless you are in a country where Fender prices are ridiculous.
As I said before: 2019 Squier CV70's jazz bass - $600AUD 2018 MIM Fender Geddy Lee jazz bass - $1600AUD
Would I rather a Fender? Of course! Who wouldn't? Would I rather get something just as good, or at least not far off, for a much more realistic price point... HECK yeah!!!
I wish the circumstances were different, but it's as simple as that.
I just want to make sure I'm not wasting my money, whether it's spending too much, or not spending enough! This will be my 3rd bass, after my first ($100 short scale p bass) and second, $700 cort artisan c4 (which as good as it is a well made bass, sound not worth $700, and now looking for a no frills classic style passive fender (or squier) jazz bass.
Should I be considering other options? Will this Squier be good enough for me, which I think it will, or should I start looking at more proffesional choices?
Again, define what you mean by 'better quality'. It looks nicer?
Still looking to get my hands on a 2019 CV to go over. I’m sure the hardware and electronics will be different than the MIC previous CV’s. However, I have several of both MIC CV’s and MII signature models and VM’s. The fit and finish on both are very good and rival instruments costing 2-4 times more.
RumbleMan3, get the CV IMHO you won’t be disappointed. I believe the CV’s and VM’s are both superb examples of the original models they emulate. I’d go as far to say the quality, hardware, fit and finish, and materials are better than the vintage Fenders they are made to replicate. I base this opinion on my current collection (list below) and vintage models I’ve owned in the past.
RumbleMan3, get the CV IMHO you won’t be disappointed. I believe the CV’s and VM’s are both superb examples of the original models they emulate. I’d go as far to say the quality, hardware, fit and finish, and materials are better than the vintage Fenders they are made to replicate. I base this opinion on my current collection (list below) and vintage models I’ve owned in the past.
Yes, it looks nicer and you can tell it’s higher quality wood. It’s no secret that the Squiers use cheaper woods and materials.
The question I have is what does 'higher quality' mean? What are you actually judging about the wood? If your main interest is that it look better, that's fine, but saying that one wood is 'high quality' and another is 'low quality' doesn't mean much if you're not being specific about what is actually better or worse about the wood.
Here are some things that, to me, are more important than looks, but which you're not likely to gain much insight by visually inspecting the wood:
- resistance to warping
- resistance to movement due to temperature & humidity change
- ability to hold a screw well (particularly in the end grain, where strap buttons are placed)
- density (ie weight) - though this is easy to tell by picking it up.
None of these things are obvious just because one wood looks better than another.
Now, it's a certainly a given that Squier use wood that can be sourced for a particular (inexpensive) price point, but that doesn't mean that the wood is not fit for its purpose.
