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Man, 45 pages in & still not a single 5-string! That just aint gonna do. :D Fed-Ex delivered this here this afternoon. I have owned several of their wonderful Affinity 5-strings for the last several years, but when I heard they finally came out with a fiver in the Vintage Modified line about 3 months ago, I knew I had to see what all the fuss was about. I think I get it now, lol.

Planned mods are the usual CTS pots, Vintage Cloth wire, Orange Drop capacitor, copper shield the pickups & cavities, Dunlop straplocks, and Chrome pickup cover (neck pickup).

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Man, 45 pages in & still not a single 5-string! That just aint gonna do. :D Fed-Ex delivered this here this afternoon. I have owned several of their wonderful Affinity 5-strings for the last several years, but when I heard they finally came out with a fiver in the Vintage Modified line about 3 months ago, I knew I had to see what all the fuss was about. I think I get it now, lol.

Planned mods are the usual CTS pots, Vintage Cloth wire, Orange Drop capacitor, copper shield the pickups & cavities, Dunlop straplocks, and Chrome pickup cover (neck pickup).

No disrespect meant, but do you really think those particular mods will make the bass any better? Everything else (shielding, straplocks,cover)I can understand, but that stuff just seems unnecessary.
 
C.Linton said:
No disrespect meant, but do you really think those particular mods will make the bass any better?

Speaking as a repair guy, my most common jobs on offshore instruments, are bad jacks and noisy or broken pots. Swapping in the good stuff is cheap insurance against premature on-the-gig failures, IME.

Copper shielding is one of those " you don't know you need it, 'till you need it" deals. It can make a big difference in houses or clubs with bad wiring.

I don't find any sonic magic in the old-style pullback cloth wire, but it does make future repairs easier.

I've heard subtle differences between poly, silver/mica, and PIO capacitors before, but different doesn't necessarily mean better. There may be some snake oil going on there, too...
 
I suspect that it's more often the soldering that goes bad rather than the cheap components, but then, if you've going to tear it apart to resolder and shield it, you might as well put in some top quality components at the same time for only a few dollars more.
 
Orange drops

BAs

HMs

Pots

All unnecessary and totally for bragging rights, although they mean nothing to me in the world of reality.

Two and three years into my MIIs, the jacks are fine, the pots work and the knobs haven't fallen off.

Guess I'm just stupid to not get knob-falling-off insurance by going CTS - huh?
 
No disrespect meant, but do you really think those particular mods will make the bass any better? Everything else (shielding, straplocks,cover)I can understand, but that stuff just seems unnecessary.

None taken - I've always replaced these things in any bass I've ever bought. I don't imagine I'm going to stop now. :) I play a lot of gigs, and I feel much more comfortable with CTS' proven track record in my personal basses than with tiny, no-name, offshore pots usually chosen for their low price point rather than its performance reputation & build quality.

Copper shielding - it won't eliminate all the single coil noise on a gig, but it will minimize it as much as possible & certainly better than with no shielding whatsoever. There is noticeable single coil hum when I solo either of the VM's pickup at home, so yes, I feel that shielding it is going to be a necessity (for me) at this point. Wiring at a lot of bars/gigs is pretty dismal sometimes, often with florescent lighting - IME, a tough environment for totally unshielded single coils to sound their best.

The Vintage Cloth wire & Orange Drop capacitor - I just dig the cloth wire (the way it looks & how easy it is to use). Personally, I *think* I can hear a small, subtle difference in clarity with the Orange Drop (or any quality) tone cap as compared to most cheaper ones (the green chiclets gum type, lol). But in any case, these two things are easy to do & I always do them anyway because I'll already be in there to replace the pots & shielding regardless.

So yes, all these planned mods will make the bass better (for me) & the gigs I take it on. :)


Steve's reasons below are exactly why I do these mods on any bass that doesn't already have these things. BTW, thanks Steve for sharing your real-world repair experiences. ;)

Speaking as a repair guy, my most common jobs on offshore instruments, are bad jacks and noisy or broken pots. Swapping in the good stuff is cheap insurance against premature on-the-gig failures, IME.

Copper shielding is one of those " you don't know you need it, 'till you need it" deals. It can make a big difference in houses or clubs with bad wiring.

I don't find any sonic magic in the old-style pullback cloth wire, but it does make future repairs easier.

I've heard subtle differences between poly, silver/mica, and PIO capacitors before, but different doesn't necessarily mean better. There may be some snake oil going on there, too...
 
Orange drops

BAs

HMs

Pots

All unnecessary and totally for bragging rights, although they mean nothing to me in the world of reality.

Two and three years into my MIIs, the jacks are fine, the pots work and the knobs haven't fallen off.

Guess I'm just stupid to not get knob-falling-off insurance by going CTS - huh?

Joe, you've had the PG off on your VM J, right? Isn't the wiring of the cloth covered variety anyway?
 
Let's face reality here :::

Until you get to NASA-quality capacitors, there's nothing to be gained by changing them (it's just the tolerance, not any perceivable quality issues - not at the voltages we use in bass guitars anyway) --- and unless you hold 'under-the-hood show-n-tell' and let people gaze dumbfounded at the little orange cap under your pickguard then what's the other reason?

Just be careful - when you take the PG screws out to show everyone how cute the little orange-thingy is under your PG, the screw holes get weaker and weaker.

From that point I guess that it's necessary to have pretty wire and orange thingies under the hood - 'cause the PG won't stay on any more.

For the next upgrade, get Dzus fasteners to hold the PG on to allow instant removal to show off the wiring and Orange cap.

Nyuck, nyuck!
 
Let's face reality here :::

Until you get to NASA-quality capacitors, there's nothing to be gained by changing them (it's just the tolerance, not any perceivable quality issues -

not at the voltages we use in bass guitars anyway) --- and unless you hold 'under-the-hood show-n-tell' and let people gaze dumbfounded at the little

orange cap under your pickguard then what's the other reason?

Just be careful - when you take the PG screws out to show everyone how cute the little orange-thingy is under your PG, the screw holes get weaker and

weaker.

From that point I guess that it's necessary to have pretty wire and orange thingies under the hood - 'cause the PG won't stay on any more.

For the next upgrade, get Dzus fasteners to hold the PG on to allow instant removal to show off the wiring and Orange cap.

Nyuck, nyuck!

Well SurferJoe46, I don't know about all that...but making up a cutesy little story about see-through PG's, bragging rights, pretty wire & thingies under the hood doesn't negate the fact that nearly 100% of the time, lesser quality pots & caps are used in offshore basses at this price point. The "reality here" is that much higher tolerance, better build quality pots, caps, wiring & such can be easily replaced for what? About $15.00 dollars? BTW, if I wanted to show off the fancy cloth wiring & Orange cap, I'd be taking off the control plate - not the pickguard. :smug:

Even though this was delivered just yesterday, you've got me curious enough to have a look at what's under the VM's hood. Here's what I found:

No cloth wiring like you told us Joe. You sure you've been inside one of these things before? The shielding paint was a nice, unexpected surprise as was the metal grounding lug - both a rarely seen thing on basses at this price point. Unfortunately, I still get some single coil noise when I solo either pickup, so I will still proceed with my copper shielding plans.

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If you look closely, you will see breaks in not one, but BOTH pickup's lead wire jackets exposing bare shielding wire inside the control cavity. I'd rather not have this scenario going on. Looks like it is broke in this case, and so I will fix it. :smug:

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What I don't understand is your ribbing of people planning to do a few simple mods to their VM bass. After all, wasn't the main premise of this thread?:

Calling all squier vintage modified bass owners. Share your basses and experiences. Tell us about your mod's.

I'll go first dimarzio j's in mine. Sonds great.

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If you choose to be blissfully ignorant of the quality of the soldering job & any other potential issues inside your basses, that's your own business. I've never been that kind of person & I like doing simple inexpensive upgrades like these for quality & gig performance reasons, you don't have to agree with them or do them to your own personal basses. But other posters in this thread could probably do without the unnecessary chastising & judgment regarding which of their planned mods you feel are worthy of doing. Just sayin'...

BTW, if any PG screw holes do become loose - I can fix that too. :smug:
 
I think it is entirely possible capacitors of the same value can change the tone of a bass depending on their quality, construction type etc... however to say one is better than the other... I just don't know. Its all music.


As for cloth wiring, kudos to the guy that can stand soldering with that stuff. I find it difficult just to cut back the cloth without any trailing threads and stuff. Plus it stinks when it burns on the iron, gums up the iron.... has no tonal advantage I can think of...
 
Paper in oil, paper in oil! vitamin Q! :P

Stingray, the 4 banger vm jazz has cloth pickup leads. I guess the 5'ers don't. hmmm. Any way, have fun with you project and enjoy your new bass as much as we do ours!

Thank You Sir! Good info on that caveat difference in the VM line! Apart from a couple little electronic things (entirely personal preferences), I sure am loving this bass! The action is buttery & fantastic and the sound of those Duncan Designed pickups are killer - those aren't going anywhere! Superb instrument all the way around! :)
 
Yes, I don't understand where some folk have called these pickups junk, yet they have. They may not personally suit their tastes or needs, but they are far from junk, even if they were wound in Asia. I love them. Oh, and possibly Fender has switched from cloth wires on these pickups sometime in 2010. Mine was manufactured in 2009. Or maybe that's how the 5ers are made.

Edit: have you considered a blend instead of VVT? Sure you get a little less variation in tones since one pickup is always 100% but it's less fiddly and as you fiddle, overall volume is affected, but with a blend you still have all crazy amounts of tone variation. If you balance the pickup heights well the transition is smooth and the master volume works great.
 
No cloth wiring like you told us Joe. You sure you've been inside one of these things before? The shielding paint was a nice, unexpected surprise as was the metal grounding lug - both a rarely seen thing on basses at this price point. Unfortunately, I still get some single coil noise when I solo either pickup, so I will still proceed with my copper shielding plans.

Calling me a liar? Hmmmm.

Looks like you got a fake VM there 'cause mine sure has cloth wires:::

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That's sad dude - you got HAD! A USED bass it appears now, since the sleeve on the wires is cracked obviously by someone repeatedly taking the control panel off to show off the innards.
 
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