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Standing, sitting, not even looking…..

Practice playing while standing, it is a different world. Silly as it sounds I used to practice in front of a mirror both to check my playing posture as well as Cool Factor. FWIW I play all my basses on a strap sitting or standing to maintain the same playing position.

mirrors are a great practice tool. Brain can’t fall for its own illusions or reassurance.

Upright players use mirrors as a practice aid, and they’re “pretty good” eh?

I think mimicking things pretty good players do is a step in the right direction.

NB, any of the Twighlight comrades:

“According to the mythos, vampires are unable to see their reflection in mirrors, and, surprisingly, the reason why is because of how mirrors used to be constructed. In the 19th century, mirrors were backed with a thin layer of silver, which is believed to be one of the purest metals, perfect for repelling werewolves and vampires. That simple layer of silver is what kept vampires from being able to see their faces in a mirror in the time of Bram Stoker’s Dracula.

Of course, today, mirrors are backed with aluminum, so everyone’s favorite vampires would actually be able to see their reflections.”


YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE
 
Concurring with the same strap length for sitting and standing. I like to to access the entire fretboard with minimal shifting of the bass body, and never have figured out a good way to do this while sitting without a strap. I also prefer a somewhat steep angle on the neck. So I have a strap length that just clears my thighs when sitting, and always use the strap when sitting. My preferred bass hight might look a tad dorky in rock settings while standing, but is still less high up than for many slappers or jazz folks.
 
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... try to have your bass sitting/hanging on you in the same way as much as possible whether you are sitting down or standing up.

That way, when you change between these two positions, the change is the least jarring to your brain. The less difference there is, the easier it will be for you to be consistent.

Something like. When I practice or play sitting down, I never rest the bass on my legs, it is always suspended on the strap. Ergonomics becomes similar. There is the "belly variant", it makes a difference, and a lot.
 
mirrors are a great practice tool. Brain can’t fall for its own illusions or reassurance.

When you play in the mirror, look yourself in the eye. Practice eye contact with the audience. If you feel compelled to observe yourself for technique, use your peripheral vision. Better yet, learn technique by feel and just don't look. Get OUT of the habit of staring at your bass and your hands. I don't care if Jaco stared at his bass. Duff McKagan doesn't, and I bet you're not going to be covering Opus Pocus down at the strip mall saloon.
 
I played sitting down for like 4 years. Then I started thinking about gigging, and tried to learn playing while standing. It was awfully difficult, but there were some things that really helped me. Where the bass sits is probably the most important thing. Having it way down low looks cool, but is not very practical. I've had it pretty high up for a long time, and now changed to a bit more of a medium. That way I can thump faster, and still play more complex fingerings.
A general rule of thumb is to sit down, adjust the strap so that it is the exact height of where the bass is, and then stand up. That should make playing fairly easy, but you shouldn't be afraid to experiment a bit.
When it comes to looking at the fretboard, I always just used the side dots. I never looked at the face of the frets, and I specifically considered buying my first bass without fretmarkers on the front. I just thought that looks cooler. And I never had any trouble with it.

Nowadays, I mostly play standing up. It just feels better for me, and it's important for me to not get used to sitting down too much.
 
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I was shocked to say the least when i tryed to stand up and play. I have only been playing for 7 months and my lessons are sitting and i sit at home, sooooo i can see what im doing…..

With all that said, i tryed to stand up, hahahaha WHAT ! I couldn’t do a thing, i couldn’t see the frets, the little dots were visable but i think you know what i mean…

Help me please, do i never sit again and just try to acclimate myself to the natural position of standing, and relearn the few riffs i know
Adjust your bass guitar strap so your bass is in the same position when you stand up as it is when you are sitting down. So just sit down, put on the strap, and adjust it until you have just a little tension on your shoulder. Then stand up and see if it stays in place. You may have to adjust it a bit more but it will put the bass where you are expecting it to be when you're playing it. Then it won't matter if you sit or stand, it will always be in the same place.

Also, don't hold your bass so it's at 90° to your body. That makes it hard to see and hard to fret up high on the neck. Push the neck out away from you a bit so it's at about a 45° angle to your body. That will allow you to see what's happening a lot better plus it makes it a LOT easier to fret when you start playing things above the 12th fret.

Most basses not only have dot markers on the face of the frets, they usually have them along the edge of a fretboard too. If yours doesn't have that, then take some model car paint (fingernail polish also works) and get a small pack of finishing nails with heads the size of the dot you want to put on the side. Pour a small amount of the model car paint into its lid. Then dip the surface of the head of the finishing nail in the paint and very carefully touch it to the spot where you want the fret marker. You will need to secure your bass so its resting on its side so the dots don't run while they dry, but that will put a small dot (use 2 dots on the 12th fret) on the side of your fretboard and that will be easier to see too.
 
I hate to bring this up, but you shouldn't be watching the fret/finger board anyway. I'm not perfect, but I try to glance down only when making a major shift. And the little side dots are there for a reason. AND...if you start playing out often, you'll eventually end up on dark stages where you can't see the dots anyway. AND...:D
I'll agree with you for most of the time, but when you first start playing a song and even performing it, you may need to watch what your doing a bit. I agree you do want to keep your eyes up as much as you can watching both your other band members and your audience. Then when making a major shift, look at your target fret before you start to move your hand.

The more you play the better you get at this "playing by feel" bit. Repetitive movements form muscle memory, but you want to form the correct muscle memory and not memory that is ½-step off. So watch what you're doing at first. If you practice them to start without watching what you're doing, it's really easy to learn it wrong. Way back in the early 70's when I was touring with a nightclub group playing 5-nights a week, 50-weeks a year for 3-years, I got really good at playing almost all our songs without looking where I was fretting, but you can imagine how many times a month we'd perform some of those songs. Muscle memory is a great thing as long as that memory is formed by playing the right notes.
 
I was shocked to say the least when i tryed to stand up and play. I have only been playing for 7 months and my lessons are sitting and i sit at home, sooooo i can see what im doing…..

With all that said, i tryed to stand up, hahahaha WHAT ! I couldn’t do a thing, i couldn’t see the frets, the little dots were visable but i think you know what i mean…

Help me please, do i never sit again and just try to acclimate myself to the natural position of standing, and relearn the few riffs i know
I’ve been playing standing 99% of the time for the past three years. To me a huge part of playing is the attitude, and if I’m playing with a drummer I’m going to be standing. So I stand while I play.

Split your time as you learn - figure out how you’ll be playing when it counts and practice that way for at least part of the time.
 
I was shocked to say the least when i tryed to stand up and play. I have only been playing for 7 months and my lessons are sitting and i sit at home, sooooo i can see what im doing…..

With all that said, i tryed to stand up, hahahaha WHAT ! I couldn’t do a thing, i couldn’t see the frets, the little dots were visable but i think you know what i mean…

Help me please, do i never sit again and just try to acclimate myself to the natural position of standing, and relearn the few riffs i know

There comes a point where you need to trust, yourself. If you don't the Bass will play you, instead of you playing the Bass.

I stand, and I rarely look at the fretboard (I play a fretless Jazz). Took some time to learn.

Keep going. It will happen, for you. :bassist:
 
I was shocked to say the least when i tryed to stand up and play. I have only been playing for 7 months and my lessons are sitting and i sit at home, sooooo i can see what im doing…..

With all that said, i tryed to stand up, hahahaha WHAT ! I couldn’t do a thing, i couldn’t see the frets, the little dots were visable but i think you know what i mean…

Help me please, do i never sit again and just try to acclimate myself to the natural position of standing, and relearn the few riffs i know
You'll eventually get use to playing while sitting and playing while standing, and how to translate one to the other. For now, it's probably a good idea to emphasize playing while standing, because that's how you're going to usually perform.

You make a good point about the fret markers, though. Especially if there's any kind of stage lighting, you might find that you can't see a thing on your bass. Here's what I use to help me out. They're fishing lure stickers. I fold them over the top edge of the fretboard so they can be seen from the front and from above.. They are designed to reflect light in low light situations, and the adhesive is designed to stick under water. I've had a set on one of my basses for about 8 years. (The edge of one sticker is starting to get a little loose, so in a couple of years I might have to replace it.) Since I have been using them, I have never not been able to see my fret markers.
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practice that way. it takes patience. slow down until you can do it right, over and over again, while standing, then get up to performance speed again. Doing that will retrain you to not even have to look while you're playing, unless you have a big jump to make.

And for what it's worth, I don't see well and my glasses are not super helpful for looking directly downward, so I get it. I used to own basses that had light up dots on the side, but not these days, so I just practice until I can do it without looking often. And when I'm in a recording studio, I sit and stare and make sure I'm accurate. LoL... like you - it IS more accurate to sit and stare at your hands. That's just science.
 
Stay seated. You're in good company. There's apparently an English guitarist named Ronald Fripp or something, and some 6 string bass guy named Andy Jackson or somesuch; little known fact but neither of 'em can play a note if they have to stand up. Allegedly...
Don't sweat it
Yes.
"Anthony Jackson"
I've been listening to his music for the last 40 something years and I never seen him standing while playing in any pictures or videos.
He always sits.
And no one seems to protest.
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That's a great question and a great discovery to have made so early on. I've not read through this thread - unusually, I've not read anything actually - so I'm sure a lot of what I'm about to say is covered.

Bottom line answer: Yes. I do most of my practice standing up. It also helps you to keep alert especially when doing more mundane study exercises, although I do my own things that help make them fun and musical too. I used to practice a lot more sitting down, but found that after five or ten minutes of arpeggiation exercises or whatever, I was starting to feel sleepy. Totally unprompted, a guitar friend who takes practice similarly seriously told me the same thing happened to him then I suddenly discovered it wasn't just me. So yeah. Unless I'm really doing some kind of deep theoretical study of the fretboard for a few minutes, I practice standing up. And yes, this greatly helps for live performance because, well, you stand up don't you? I've seen people totally fall apart at jams for this reason - I have a lot a lot of experience of jams; The Blues Kitchen, Camden Town. Ain’t Nothin’ But..., Soho. The Spice Of Life, Soho. Ronnie Scott’s, Soho. Troy Bar, Shoreditch. And a whole lot more, especially including jazz clubs in Madrid. Oh, and the hundred hour jam at The Blues Kitchen - a total of 24 hours on stage and the only person there for the whole hundred hours, including being on stage performing for the finale.

Think about it, especially from a bass player's point of view - I say this because that can often be the last thing you're able to hear on stage. And believe me, you can spot the bedroom players on stage a mile off. But hey, kudos to them for getting out of the bedroom and taking to the stage. And, to be fair, for putting in the practice time in the first place. But boy can you spot them.

You practice at home. Sitting down. In great light. Perfect sound - because you’ve made it so you have perfect balance of what you’re playing to to what you’re playing. Actually, a balance that’s probably skewed towards the bass being that bit louder. You also know everything that’s happening and going to happen because you’re probably playing to recorded music that never makes a mistake and doesn’t react to your mistakes. I’ve often said that practicing like this for live performance is like training to fight a tiger by playing with a kitten.
Now take the jam environment. First surprise. Although the stage is well lit from the audience, often when you’re on them they’re really dark. So dark that there are times I’ve literally not been able to see a thing on my fretboard. Then, even if you can see, you look down and, standing up, it’s now so far away and all those nice patterns and stuff you’ve been working on are just gone. They’re simply not there anymore. And where’s that lovely bass sound you’ve been practicing with gone to? Yep. Just not there anymore. Sometimes, not at all. Even though out front you’ve been hearing the bass loud and clear. As you may or may not know, for bass especially, for physically soundwave reasons specifically relating to bass, the further away you are, the better you can hear it. Which leads to the phenomenon of Ain’t Nothin’ But…in Soho. On stage, you are standing right in front of the bass amp. It’s not in the PA at all. Out front the bass sound is just perfect and really present. On stage, for the bass player, it is barely there at all. And because it’s not in the PA, it can’t be turned up like it can in the Blues Kitchen. Oh yeah. If you ever become a regular at a jam, become friends with the sound guy and learn how to communicate with them from the stage. And of course you’re with live musicians where anything can happen. And another ‘believe me’ moment. At some of these jams, and even in band situations, although you are ostensibly in a group/team environment, there can times you really are there on your own with no-one looking out for you and no-one telling you what’s going on.

Now, being extreme here, and I’ve spoken to musician friends about this and they loved the approach and adopted it themselves, I believe. I do sometimes do ‘live’ practice at home. That is, I of course stand up. I have the lights low so I can’t see much of what I’m doing, and I have my bass balanced low so I can barely hear it.

Now for a related topic. Band practice. Do not. Repeat. Do not. Practice in a circle. You end up becoming reliant on being able to see each other with loads of eye contact communication and relying on being able to see where the others are going on their fretboard if you ever feel a little lost. When was the last time you saw a band playing live standing in a circle? Oasis actually spoke of being lost when they began recording their debut album Definitely Maybe directly because of this issue - they ended up having to fully record that album three times before they got what we have now.

Related to this. If you’re doing any backing vocals - or lead vocals for that matter - in that band, practice them standing up and into a microphone. For so many of the above reasons. Me and a friend of mine had a mildly successful cover duo for four or five years and we did exactly that. I think it made a big difference to us. The two scenarios. Rehearsal: You are nicely all sat down and singing your parts while also probably looking down so you can see what you’re doing. Live: You’re standing up with the microphone directly ahead of you and you also kinda want to be singing out to the audience as well rather than looking down as you sing. Every single bit of cover and comfort you had in rehearsal has gone.

Damn. In a flash and without at all meaning to, I’ve written a thousand word essay on this.

But I really enjoyed writing all that and I really hope that you, and maybe others, can take something away from it. Good luck.
 
That's a great question and a great discovery to have made so early on. I've not read through this thread - unusually, I've not read anything actually - so I'm sure a lot of what I'm about to say is covered.

Bottom line answer: Yes. I do most of my practice standing up. It also helps you to keep alert especially when doing more mundane study exercises, although I do my own things that help make them fun and musical too. I used to practice a lot more sitting down, but found that after five or ten minutes of arpeggiation exercises or whatever, I was starting to feel sleepy. Totally unprompted, a guitar friend who takes practice similarly seriously told me the same thing happened to him then I suddenly discovered it wasn't just me. So yeah. Unless I'm really doing some kind of deep theoretical study of the fretboard for a few minutes, I practice standing up. And yes, this greatly helps for live performance because, well, you stand up don't you? I've seen people totally fall apart at jams for this reason - I have a lot a lot of experience of jams; The Blues Kitchen, Camden Town. Ain’t Nothin’ But..., Soho. The Spice Of Life, Soho. Ronnie Scott’s, Soho. Troy Bar, Shoreditch. And a whole lot more, especially including jazz clubs in Madrid. Oh, and the hundred hour jam at The Blues Kitchen - a total of 24 hours on stage and the only person there for the whole hundred hours, including being on stage performing for the finale.

Think about it, especially from a bass player's point of view - I say this because that can often be the last thing you're able to hear on stage. And believe me, you can spot the bedroom players on stage a mile off. But hey, kudos to them for getting out of the bedroom and taking to the stage. And, to be fair, for putting in the practice time in the first place. But boy can you spot them.

You practice at home. Sitting down. In great light. Perfect sound - because you’ve made it so you have perfect balance of what you’re playing to to what you’re playing. Actually, a balance that’s probably skewed towards the bass being that bit louder. You also know everything that’s happening and going to happen because you’re probably playing to recorded music that never makes a mistake and doesn’t react to your mistakes. I’ve often said that practicing like this for live performance is like training to fight a tiger by playing with a kitten.
Now take the jam environment. First surprise. Although the stage is well lit from the audience, often when you’re on them they’re really dark. So dark that there are times I’ve literally not been able to see a thing on my fretboard. Then, even if you can see, you look down and, standing up, it’s now so far away and all those nice patterns and stuff you’ve been working on are just gone. They’re simply not there anymore. And where’s that lovely bass sound you’ve been practicing with gone to? Yep. Just not there anymore. Sometimes, not at all. Even though out front you’ve been hearing the bass loud and clear. As you may or may not know, for bass especially, for physically soundwave reasons specifically relating to bass, the further away you are, the better you can hear it. Which leads to the phenomenon of Ain’t Nothin’ But…in Soho. On stage, you are standing right in front of the bass amp. It’s not in the PA at all. Out front the bass sound is just perfect and really present. On stage, for the bass player, it is barely there at all. And because it’s not in the PA, it can’t be turned up like it can in the Blues Kitchen. Oh yeah. If you ever become a regular at a jam, become friends with the sound guy and learn how to communicate with them from the stage. And of course you’re with live musicians where anything can happen. And another ‘believe me’ moment. At some of these jams, and even in band situations, although you are ostensibly in a group/team environment, there can times you really are there on your own with no-one looking out for you and no-one telling you what’s going on.

Now, being extreme here, and I’ve spoken to musician friends about this and they loved the approach and adopted it themselves, I believe. I do sometimes do ‘live’ practice at home. That is, I of course stand up. I have the lights low so I can’t see much of what I’m doing, and I have my bass balanced low so I can barely hear it.

Now for a related topic. Band practice. Do not. Repeat. Do not. Practice in a circle. You end up becoming reliant on being able to see each other with loads of eye contact communication and relying on being able to see where the others are going on their fretboard if you ever feel a little lost. When was the last time you saw a band playing live standing in a circle? Oasis actually spoke of being lost when they began recording their debut album Definitely Maybe directly because of this issue - they ended up having to fully record that album three times before they got what we have now.

Related to this. If you’re doing any backing vocals - or lead vocals for that matter - in that band, practice them standing up and into a microphone. For so many of the above reasons. Me and a friend of mine had a mildly successful cover duo for four or five years and we did exactly that. I think it made a big difference to us. The two scenarios. Rehearsal: You are nicely all sat down and singing your parts while also probably looking down so you can see what you’re doing. Live: You’re standing up with the microphone directly ahead of you and you also kinda want to be singing out to the audience as well rather than looking down as you sing. Every single bit of cover and comfort you had in rehearsal has gone.

Damn. In a flash and without at all meaning to, I’ve written a thousand word essay on this.

But I really enjoyed writing all that and I really hope that you, and maybe others, can take something away from it. Good luck.

Truth be told, i rolled my eyes when i saw your long post, but when i started reading Holy $hit did you paint a vivid picture, there wasnt a word out of place, thank you, (amazing clapping my hands)
 
I was shocked to say the least when i tryed to stand up and play. .....
Help me please, do i never sit again and just try to acclimate myself to the natural position of standing, and relearn the few riffs i know
I can't hardly play sitting, I'm more comfortable standing, so I think it's all in what you get used to. IMO, standing is better because it gives more freedom of motion. Agreed with posts above that proper strap length is key.
 
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