I'd rather make the same money and spend half the time. And I can have plenty of fun in that time.
That's where we clearly differ. It frees me up to do other stuff.
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Stanley Clarke bummed me out last night
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I'd rather make the same money and spend half the time. And I can have plenty of fun in that time.
That's where we clearly differ. It frees me up to do other stuff.
I guess I just enjoy playing.
I can think of very few things I'd rather be doing, and they generally fall in different time slots.
Now, maybe if I played music for a living it would be different - but then, that is part of why I didn't pursue music as a vocation.
I am a huge fan of Stanley's electric and upright prowess. Back in 2005, I saw Stanley with Bela Fleck and Jean Luc Ponty. He played upright on all but one song AND ABSOLUTELY KILLED IT!!!!! During one of his ridiculous solos, he started slapping and popping the crap out of his upright and the audience-including me-went wild!!!!!!!!!! Stanley is one of the few virtuosos on both electric and upright that I have been blessed to see live that blew me away. Another guy who is just as sick live, if not sicker, on both is Brian Bromberg.
A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste!
A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste!
This is a "touring" show like any other. Do you really expect "every" show to be a different set list, different licks, different moves and audiance interaction "every" night?? C'mon now that doesn't make any sense. Yes, you can change things up a bit to break the repetition but even in jazz people want to hear a very "familiar" version of the music. I know I do. You can re-write the songs when you play them at home.
I wasn't at the show. I can say that when u tour, it's always a battle as to not be repititious every gig. Folks will always expect what they're familiar with. I've seen cats get booed for doing something different. The artist may feel he wants something different in the midst of countless gigs. U may have caught that. Ticket prices go up because the studios r losing money and the mp3 glut forces the artist to make it on the road and through merchandice and ring tones . The music industry is a circus. I know the cats in that band. I'll pass it along. DH
As one who did a tribute band gig for 2 years, I can only say, AMEN!!I can understand both sides of this:
A. Fans want to hear him play the same songs he's been playing since the 70's.
B. A version of hell might be playing the same small set of songs for 40 years.
No, most jambands play quite a lot of songs along with jamming.
...and what you do get with jambands is different set list, different licks, different moves and audiance interaction "every" night.
Funny, I went to see Brian Bromberg at Jazz Alley here in Seattle a month ago and was highly disappointed because he did not even BRING his upright. He was filling in on short notice but I would not have gone if I had known there would be no upright. He is a great guy and KILLS on the BG though!
See that seems much more striking than Stanley Clarke only playing upright, Bromberg is a beast.
Pretentious seems to me to be a silly thing to call someone seeing as there's no way to prove or disprove the validity of such a statement.
here's the reality of it. Excuse me I'm old.
Many years ago an artist could make $$$ selling 'records' and toured for cheap to sell the album.
Then PC's and digital music.... people like Steve Jobs understood that music (content) would be virually FREE. And, that live performances would become valuable comodity. Artists would have to charge more for concerts.
And, so it is..... the cost of nearly free access
These people need to eat and PRACTICE!
Many years ago an artist could make $$$ selling 'records' and toured for cheap to sell the album.
Then PC's and digital music.... people like Steve Jobs understood that music (content) would be virually FREE. And, that live performances would become valuable comodity. Artists would have to charge more for concerts.
And, so it is..... the cost of nearly free access
These people need to eat and PRACTICE!
I enjoying playing too.
I guess I just have more things I could do with my time. Not all of my playing is fun (I have fun with most of the people I play with) and very little is for fun. Most people I know who can play typically don't have time to do that.
One answer: in general, the "jamband" community actively encourages recording, and you'll usually see several "tapers" at a show, even for small, local acts. Recordings are easily available, via channels like archive.org. As such, it's easy to listen to and compare dozens or even hundreds of individual performances from one band, without actually "going every night".
All of which is beside the point that the term "jamband" is vastly misunderstood and often misused to incorrectly specify a very narrow, pre-conceived notion. In my view, it really encompasses a very broad mix of styles and genres. The one common element is exactly that which started this string of thought - the desire to make each performance unique and in the moment. In that regard, it's usually the case that setlists contain different material and different ordering each night, and there is a healthy amount of room allowed for on-the-spot improvisation.
/rick
if you have a track record of hit songs, or popular songs you're known for, and you refuse to play them because you think your audience wants to hear all your new stuff, that's pretentious.
