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Star Trek: Voyager

The fact that Janeway was able to keep Voyager working while well out of federation space is proof of how great of a captain she was.

She did, however, make one (actually, more than one) of the worst decisions I've seen in any of the series when she works with the Borg. Giving the Borg the weapon to defeat 8472 for safe passage through Borg space was a horrifically bad decision that lead to the destruction of other species in the delta quadrant. In another episode one such surviving alien even attempts to bring Voyager to the Borg, but fails. This episode made me realize that while Janeway is a usually a good captain, her emotions play a larger role in her decisions then she is even aware of.
She blatantly violated the prime directive and screwed with the power structure of an entire quadrant and the galaxy for the that matter when she allied with the Borg, but her worst crime was drastically altering the past in the finale. You can’t set a precedent that makes it okay to change the timeline because you’re sad about deaths under your command. Not in a world where time travel clearly exists and is entirely doable.
 
And it’s never indicated that the entire collective was destroyed. You can’t just show the Queen falling apart with sparks flying out of her and assume that it’s okay now even though she assimilated future Janeway and now has access to federation technology 30 years advanced. The Borg might be hurt but they’re not down for good. Janeway is a short sighted, selfish disgrace to the federation.
 
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7of9 was the reason I watched voyager
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I agree with a lot of the sentiments regarding Janeway. Like Kirk, he decisions were typically reactive and short-sighted, rather than well-planned and considering the bigger picture. Unlike Kirk, who had to be a swashbuckling cowboy in the relatively well-developed Alpha and Beta quadrants of the 23rd century, she felt was able disregard the consequences of her actions in the name of getting her crew home. I would say Kirk's violations of the Prime Directive typically had a much narrower impact, and when they did not they were often done in the belief he was doing the right thing not just for the crew of the Enterprise, but for the Federation.

Janeway basically laid a swath of chaos across the Delta quadrant to get a few hundred people back to the Alpha quadrant and destabilized a quarter of the galaxy in the process.

Makes for interesting TV though, I guess.
 
There was no good reason for the two of them to be together. She had secret holodeck dates with holographic Chakotay a few episodes before and that's supposed to be establishing a potential relationship. It would've been fine if there was another season after but everyone involved knew the show was ending. It was ridiculous.
 
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I remember watching that series when it first came out. We were pretty big Star Trek fans back then, though not as hardcore as many. My wife actually submitted a script to DS9 (it wasn't accepted, sadly).

Sorry to be the downer here, but honestly, I thought Voyager was terribly disappointing. I think that basically TNG painted the franchise into a corner with its relentless progressivism, which I mean not politically, but in the sense that it created a universe where everyone was enlightened, everyone behaved themselves, there were technologies for just about everything (holodecks and the things that synthesized hot earl grey tea out of thin air with no need for a farmer picking tea leaves from plants), all of society's human failings had been solved, etc. The whole pilot episode was about proving to an overpowered cosmic being how enlightened they were. Over time that just ran them out of any resources to create a sense of struggle or adventure. TNG did a noble job of it but finally ran out of steam. You can only roll out the Borg so often.

DS9 tried to put some adrenaline back into it by putting its characters into a war zone with Ferengi and Cardassians around, but it didn't take long to smooth off all their rough edges and then you're sitting on a space station with nowhere to go (at which point you make up a wormhole to somewhere else and make the show about that).

So Voyager looked like an exciting reboot when they announced it. Catapult a federation ship across the galaxy, make them desperate, cut them off from everything familiar and their whole cozy enlightened society, put a hotshot bad boy pilot in the driver's seat (Han Solo anyone?), and bring back the adrenaline and adventure. But the bad boy was rapidly tamed into milquetoast, they never really seemed all that desperate, and the adventures, such as they were, were just more TNG stuff warmed over (we're picking up an anomalous energy field in space, shall we investigate?). 7 of 9 was kinda cool, and obviously easy on the eyes, but was a blatantly obvious ploy to salvage a dull series. When out of ideas, pull out the Borg, fans love that. Argh. It had its bright spots - I liked the hologram doctor too - but only a few of them.

When the new version of Battlestar Galactica came out, I think it actually achieved what Voyager had promised and failed to deliver. Characters that were actually deeply flawed and struggling, a situation that was actually desperate, choices to make - lots of them - that were really hard and took their toll on the people who had to make them.
 
I remember watching that series when it first came out. We were pretty big Star Trek fans back then, though not as hardcore as many. My wife actually submitted a script to DS9 (it wasn't accepted, sadly).

Sorry to be the downer here, but honestly, I thought Voyager was terribly disappointing. I think that basically TNG painted the franchise into a corner with its relentless progressivism, which I mean not politically, but in the sense that it created a universe where everyone was enlightened, everyone behaved themselves, there were technologies for just about everything (holodecks and the things that synthesized hot earl grey tea out of thin air with no need for a farmer picking tea leaves from plants), all of society's human failings had been solved, etc. The whole pilot episode was about proving to an overpowered cosmic being how enlightened they were. Over time that just ran them out of any resources to create a sense of struggle or adventure. TNG did a noble job of it but finally ran out of steam. You can only roll out the Borg so often.

DS9 tried to put some adrenaline back into it by putting its characters into a war zone with Ferengi and Cardassians around, but it didn't take long to smooth off all their rough edges and then you're sitting on a space station with nowhere to go (at which point you make up a wormhole to somewhere else and make the show about that).

So Voyager looked like an exciting reboot when they announced it. Catapult a federation ship across the galaxy, make them desperate, cut them off from everything familiar and their whole cozy enlightened society, put a hotshot bad boy pilot in the driver's seat (Han Solo anyone?), and bring back the adrenaline and adventure. But the bad boy was rapidly tamed into milquetoast, they never really seemed all that desperate, and the adventures, such as they were, were just more TNG stuff warmed over (we're picking up an anomalous energy field in space, shall we investigate?). 7 of 9 was kinda cool, and obviously easy on the eyes, but was a blatantly obvious ploy to salvage a dull series. When out of ideas, pull out the Borg, fans love that. Argh. It had its bright spots - I liked the hologram doctor too - but only a few of them.

When the new version of Battlestar Galactica came out, I think it actually achieved what Voyager had promised and failed to deliver. Characters that were actually deeply flawed and struggling, a situation that was actually desperate, choices to make - lots of them - that were really hard and took their toll on the people who had to make them.
All this is why Babylon 5 was the best TV series sci-fi show.
 
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It was a while back when I binged Voyager, but my main memory is that I found the Kes character annoying (moreso than Neelix), and that replacing her with 7 of 9 was the biggest upgrade in the ST universe. It is unfortunate how the actress who played Kes fell upon some hard times; I hope she's got stuff worked out.
 
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It was a while back when I binged Voyager, but my main memory is that I found the Kes character annoying (moreso than Neelix), and that replacing her with 7 of 9 was the biggest upgrade in the ST universe. It is unfortunate how the actress who played Kes fell upon some hard times; I hope she's got stuff worked out.

7 of 9 was a game changer..........

My dad was a Trek fan when the series did it's original run in the 60's and I got hooked watching the re-runs with him as kid in the 70's. Later, when TNG, DS9, Voyager came out, Dad had no interest in watching any of them----"It's just not the same..." he would say.

Then, Jeri Ryan joined the cast of Voyager and suddenly he was a born-again Trek fan.
 
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