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Staying off the Booze

Non-alcoholic beer for the win. I never really saw the point, I drink beer to get drunk.......I felt like a goose ordering one.......but it really hit the spot in a way that soda water or a Coke just doesn't when you're feeling like a beer. Just having a "beer" in my hand also made me feel more comfortable, the placebo effect is as good effect as any.

So now I am one of those old guys drinking the 0%. Give it a try if you want to lower your alcohol consumption.
 
Non-alcoholic beer for the win. I never really saw the point, I drink beer to get drunk.......I felt like a goose ordering one.......but it really hit the spot in a way that soda water or a Coke just doesn't when you're feeling like a beer. Just having a "beer" in my hand also made me feel more comfortable, the placebo effect is as good effect as any.

So now I am one of those old guys drinking the 0%. Give it a try if you want to lower your alcohol consumption.

IME and from what I've seen in others, near beer is not a good idea for the true recovering alcoholic. I don't recommend it.
 
This thread makes compelling reading. Cheers to all of you who have kicked the bottle or never were on it in the first place.

Personally, I never drink or do anything illicit today. It's been a decade or more. I want to be at my best at all times, and doing that is hard enough when you're straight.

I've heard a lot of people say they played/sang better while sauced but it usually left me unconvinced, like people who would claim they drove better after a couple of beers, makes no sense. Coordination and attentiveness and fine motor and such are the whole thing.

This is all to say nothing of interpersonal issues drug and drink are bound to cause. Everyone likes to appeal to the famous bands who were big and were also strung out all the time, but those are one in a million. Most of the time substance abuse ruins everything, including people.

Music is the drug for me and there's no cure for that addiction, but at least it's a healthy one. ;)
 
I'm not sure I get what "true recovering alcoholic" is. I get grief sometimes because I got sober without AA, whatever works, works.😎

Just saying - I've never seen near-beer NOT backfire for a full-fledged alcoholic trying to stay sober.

BTW, ever considered you may not be an alcoholic? Maybe you just don't like the affect alcohol may have on you.

OTOH, if you find yourself unable to quit alcohol on your own when you really want to, or if you find that once you start drinking, you're unable to control how much or how long you drink, maybe you're a full-fledged alcoholic.

BTW, it ain't a badge of honor. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
 
Just saying - I've never seen near-beer NOT backfire for a full-fledged alcoholic trying to stay sober

BTW, ever considered you may not be an alcoholic? Maybe you just don't like the affect alcohol may have on you.
That's almost the exact quote I would get, FWIW, I was a never sober drunk. I didn't have a off switch.
 
As a n00b decades ago I used to have one or two to stay loosened up for a gig, but I'm long past that. The advantage to age/experience is no more stage jitters. Full disclosure: I mainly live in the bar band world, and did get nervous playing a theater gig with an all original band I work with, when we opened for Pat Travers band a few years ago. But these days I'm self-aware enough to know that a beer or more would not have helped me there.

I'm not a teetotaler, but rarely drink at home or at the gig. The main reason is that alcohol is unhealthy -- claims to the contrary are false (not shaming anyone for imbibing; I don't always eat well). A practical reason: we musicians (along with bar staff) have targets on our backs when driving home so late, and I have been pulled over a couple of times on the way home from gigs. One of those times I'd had a couple/few beers and was into buzz territory, but walked a straight line. The next time I was completely sober, and it was a huge relief to have no worry at all about failing a sobriety test.

Last but not least, there's musicianship. I work with a whole bunch of bandmates in a bunch of bands. Fact: those who play sober are FAR more likely to perform well at the gig. Not everyone who drinks at the gig performs poorly... but some do, 'nuff said! The unfortunate reality is that those performing less than their best due to alcohol have no clue that it's happening. I'm not even talking about obvious mistakes that are cause to terminate... just the casually sloppy playing that the audience won't notice, but the rest of us onstage will. Part of the challenge here is the bar band mindset of "we're not getting rich from $100 a night, we're entitled to have fun with our hobby, the audience is also drinking and having fun, so no harm no foul". I guess that's fine if everyone's on board, but I prefer to work with musicians who put the performance first, even at casual bar gigs. Even if the sloppiness doesn't happen until the 3rd set, I still find it annoying.
 
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As a n00b decades ago I used to have one or two to stay loosened up for a gig, but I'm long past that. The advantage to age/experience is no more stage jitters. Full disclosure: I mainly live in the bar band world, and did get nervous playing a theater gig with an all original band I work with, when we opened for Pat Travers band a few years ago. But these days I'm self-aware enough to know that a beer or more would not have helped me there.

Yeah; I started playing out in the '70s when the culture leaned heavily into drinking & drugging. I was nervous and imbibed in both. It took the edge off, though didn't completely mask the darker side of playing the college-town-and-white-boy-meth circuit.

Before getting clean and sober, alcohol/drugs no longer worked to relieve fear despite consuming dangerous amounts of both;

Nervousness had long been replacement by resentment and anger.

These days I mostly feel pretty comfortable and I try to avoid feeling angry, especially about crap I've got no control of.

On subs and pickups, I show up prepared and do a decent enough job to get callbacks. On my weekend gig, the drummer and I are both sober and help provide a consistent, respectful level of musicianship. On my Tuesday night gig, I back a rotating roster of special guests, all of whom seem happy when it's their date.


I'm not a teetotaler, but rarely drink at home or at the gig. The main reason is that alcohol is unhealthy -- claims to the contrary are false (not shaming anyone for imbibing; I don't always eat well). A practical reason: we musicians (along with bar staff) have targets on our backs when driving home so late, and I have been pulled over a couple of times on the way home from gigs. One of those times I'd had a couple/few beers and was into buzz territory, but walked a straight line. The next time I was completely sober, and it was a huge relief to have no worry at all about failing a sobriety test.

By design, field sobriety tests are hard enough to pass sober.

Last but not least, there's musicianship. I work with a whole bunch of bandmates in a bunch of bands. Fact: those who play sober are FAR more likely to perform well at the gig. Not everyone who drinks at the gig performs poorly... but some do, 'nuff said! The unfortunate reality is that those performing less than their best due to alcohol have no clue that it's happening. I'm not even talking about obvious mistakes that are cause to terminate... just the casually sloppy playing that the audience won't notice, but the rest of us onstage will. Part of the challenge here is the bar band mindset of "we're not getting rich from $100 a night, we're entitled to have fun with our hobby, the audience is also drinking and having fun, so no harm no foul". I guess that's fine if everyone's on board, but I prefer to work with musicians who put the performance first, even at casual bar gigs. Even if the sloppiness doesn't happen until the 3rd set, I still find it annoying.

The only consistent thing both alcohol and drugs did from early to later days was to make me a sloppy, inconsistent player - There are thousands of hours of live recordings to back this up.

When I recall first not being able to regulate my drinking once I took that first drink of the evening, we had a house band gig at a popular, center-of-the-universe Dallas bar. Even back then I knew I wasn't going to be able to execute any kind of complex songs by the end of the night. My solution was to volunteer to put together the set lists, putting all the easy, 2 and 3 chord wonders in the last set.

I find it annoying as hell and damn near unlistenable hearing those last-set recordings from 30-36 years ago.

12 years ago when I was in the thick of it, despite having had 20-25 additional years experience playing out in the interim, my playing consistency was impaired.
 
So now I am one of those old guys drinking the 0%. Give it a try if you want to lower your alcohol consumption.

I got tired of drinking nothing but water and I avoid drinking soda, period. So when I discovered Guiness Zero at some local bars I was playing at, I started getting that instead. It comes close to the real thing, at least the real thing in cans because it’s not on tap. I guess it’s just psychological.
 
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Just say no. Its nice if you are offered drinks but its not a rule you have to take one.
I'll have one beer all night. Its not up to anyone else how much I do or don't drink.
I don't do small talk...I've either got something to say or I haven't.
How you doing, nice to meet you is fine.
 
I'm not sure I get what "true recovering alcoholic" is. I get grief sometimes because I got sober without AA, whatever works, works.😎
I think "in recovery" folks might find themselves more just reminded of drinking with NA beer. That said, my stepdads been sober for 30 years (except having the cheeky toke in the last 10 years) and is a big fan of ODouls, but he didn't start having those occasionally for over a decade after his last real drink. Also rarely has it though. Known the man a quarter of a century at this point and have only seen him have a NA beer maybe three times.
 
I’m not a big drinker, I’ll have a few at a party or a night out, but I can go without for weeks/months at a time. However, I’m also not comfortable in social situations.

I’ve found that I need to have 3-4 beers each gig. One after setting up, and one in each break to settle me into socializing. I can perform all night without a drink, there’s no stage fright. There’s only off-stage fright. I like to be a little bit “lubricated” because otherwise I’m very shy, with a couple of beers I can at least shake hands and make polite small-talk with people who come out to see us.

It wasn’t a problem when we gigged once a month, but now it is 2-3 times a week and I’m worried its effecting my general wellbeing.

I know there’s a lot of non-drinkers and recovering drinker on these boards, so what’s the tip for being social without booze? Especially when 100% of your gigs are in "drinking establishments"
Sounds like you need to get in a program...
 
How do I know I can trust you, if you don't smoke cigars and drink beer?

I am just trying to figure out how to play with a cigar in my mouth, but the smoke keeps getting in my eyes!

Beer!? Drink heavier more filling beers and only have 1 or 2.....problem solved. I remember discovering Sam Adams in the 90's, one or two was MORE than enough. OR switch to that stuff they call "light beer"---never tried it, but I heard it's like water.

I also figured out at a young age, the best way to kick a heroin habit was with a light & breezy cocaine habit 🤫

I joke. Embrace life and the fruits. Workout hard, have a beer, have a cigar. Stay true to your body. Moderation, but take care of yourself.
 
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How do I know I can trust you, if you don't smoke cigars and drink beer?

I am just trying to figure out how to play with a cigar in my mouth, but the smoke keeps getting in my eyes!

Beer!? Drink heavier more filling beers and only have 1 or 2.....problem solved. I remember discovering Sam Adams in the 90's, one or two was MORE than enough. OR switch to that stuff they call "light beer"---never tried it, but I heard it's like water.

I also figured out at a young age, the best way to kick a heroin habit was with a light & breezy cocaine habit 🤫

I joke. Embrace life and the fruits. Workout hard, have a beer, have a cigar. Stay true to your body. Moderation, but take care of yourself.
Moderations definitely a rule to live by. My gran got me a sign for my house that just says Moderation.

I'm like you OP, I find it helps me be socially lubricated to handle mingling. But given your concerns I think white knuckling the awkward feeling sober will eventually lead to feeling like you don't need it. Steep in it and find your sea legs. Your "customer service face". As an IT person I had to and it makes handling it even when I feel out of sorts inside manageable without the crutch.
 
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Moderations definitely a rule to live by. My gran got me a sign for my house that just says Moderation.

I'm like you OP, I find it helps me be socially lubricated to handle mingling. But given your concerns I think white knuckling the awkward feeling sober will eventually lead to feeling like you don't need it. Steep in it and find your sea legs. Your "customer service face". As an IT person I had to and it makes handling it even when I feel out of sorts inside manageable without the crutch.

Trying to avoid generalization based on specific experience; I.E. "just because X doesn't mean X in all cases", so I'll just throw this out there with a caveat.

In my experience working in the program with others like myself, an extremely common thread leading up to presentation of full blown alcoholism and drug addiction has been fear and discomfort regarding social situations.

This isn't to say everyone who experiences this will become an active alcoholic; It is a warning sign though, especially for those who feel compelled to drink in order to be socially comfortable.

The good news is many alcoholics, through working a daily program, have learned to be comfortable in these situations without need or desire for a drink.
 
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I think "in recovery" folks might find themselves more just reminded of drinking with NA beer. That said, my stepdads been sober for 30 years (except having the cheeky toke in the last 10 years) and is a big fan of ODouls, but he didn't start having those occasionally for over a decade after his last real drink. Also rarely has it though. Known the man a quarter of a century at this point and have only seen him have a NA beer maybe three times.

It definitely depends. A high school chum of mine had a serious alcohol problem, but he's been sober for over a decade and enjoys the occasional NA beer. Not everyone can, though. If in doubt, don't touch it.
 
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Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. No one else can tell us when we need help.

For one thing, we're about as stubborn and defiant against the truth as anyone you're likely to meet.
I agree, It really needs to be the addict to admit/want they need help. Musician alcoholics are in a hard place to get sober because a lot of us make our living in places that push alcohol.
When I was detoxing I couldn't afford take a break, three days later I was back in a bar playing. A whole new world for me!😊
 
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