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Stingray popularity decline?

Strictly reading tea leaves, or watching from the sidelines:

I think that EBMM would not have done the massive re-engineering and re-imaging the new generation instruments from a position of declining sales, and I applaud them heartily for making meaningful, practical changes in them, and not a re-package of the same old/same old with new colors or some funky wood they got a deal on.

Yes, they are rising in price, but among other things, Cali is about the most expensive place to build anything and compensate / insure your workforce of any place I can think of. I can't complain much, as they still want to build here, and that's getting more and more expensive, and I tell myself this keeps people employed there. For an 'off the rack' bass, their quality is first-rate, and their customer support is fully supportive, so again, not cheap to get right.

Of course, the new style guitars may make a difference more obvious, but in a way, the Korean Sterlings are almost too close to Cali-built that it may be hard for guys to rationalize the purchase of the American models. If I were EBMM, I'd use the Korean axes for building current versions of their 'Greatest Hits', or versions of their axes ONLY available in the Sterling line. What they DON'T want to get into mixing up the American, Korean, and SUB lines into the tangled mess that Fender has turned their product mix into between Custom Shop, several grades of American production, the Mexes, and the Squiers where the features, quality, and price can very easily cross over the many product lines.

And lastly, there's a lot of 'fashion' and 'me too' and 'what's hot now' that's cyclical, as always. There have been times where you could not GIVE away a Jazz Bass, Precisions were the thing. These days, everything is based on a Jazz Bass planform, and possibly passive is more popular now (amazing what an inconvenience changing a battery once or twice a year seems to be to people, laughable in that they spend half their lives looking for a plug to charge their 'smart' phone . . . . . . ). Over time, the wheel will turn again, and something else will be the hot ticket.

They're, of course, terrific and now classic instruments. A lot of guys' first active bass, first humbucking bass, and the StingRay Five was really the first big-production five that just worked with no real excuses, so for many, it was their first five-string. Not a bad string of accomplishments. And for me personally, I think a neckthru single humbucker SR5 is all the bass I'd ever need: All beef, no filler.
 
I have to agree on the toy logo look.
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Darren Stevens never would've tried to submit this to Larry Tate for approval.
Entire headstock is too busy, just like the Sterling SUB Rays...which are a thing of the past, by the way.
I think it’d look much better with just MUSICMAN StingRay.
It wouldn't stop me from buying one, of course, but then again, they’re simply not for me. Better options for better prices, IMO.

Of course, Music Man fans are every bit as steadsfast as Fender fans...they're not going anywhere and neither are the basses.

I always really loved that logo - I've never understood why they changed it in the late 80's, to what it is today - glad to see they've retained it for the Classic Stingray, Cutlass, and Caprice.

Even in the 70's, it had a fun throwback feel, with a sense of humour, as well as a brilliantly simple design concept :

I love the haircuts, I love the pinstriped trousers forming an 'M', I love that one of the musicians is left handed, I even love that (to the best of my knowledge) Music Man never made acoustic guitars, and that neither instrument in the logo features a Music Man headstock.


Yeah, my parents are both designers.
 
It seems like Music Man Stingrays aren't as popular with working bassists (especially rock bassists) as they were 15-20 years ago, while on the other hand, P basses, J basses and Rics seem more popular than ever in this niche.

Any thoughts on why this may be? The desire for passive grind is the only explanation that I can think of, since the Stingray is otherwise a marvelous instrument.

The traditional stingray bass is too mid scooped for my taste.

I have 2 stingray clones wired with a 4 band audere preamp and the balance sweeps from single to humbucker to single. I can get a Ric tone, a p-bass tone, a jazz bass tone, and a stingray tone.

I love the single coil bite!

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It seems like Music Man Stingrays aren't as popular with working bassists (especially rock bassists) as they were 15-20 years ago, while on the other hand, P basses, J basses and Rics seem more popular than ever in this niche.

Any thoughts on why this may be? The desire for passive grind is the only explanation that I can think of, since the Stingray is otherwise a marvelous instrument.

my reasons...1. I prefer the two band pre to the to the three band. 2. To me the necks are like trying to play a baseball bat (except for the SLO Special) and 3. in my opinion the current asking price of a new Stingray is about $400.00 to $500.00 too much for what they are...
 
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Personally, I just cant bring myself to buy one because they look like you are playing a toilet lid.

But how does it sound and play to you?

The regular SR5 doesnt have the same oval pickguard. The us Sterling oval is more slanted. But if you loved the sound you could always buy a used one have an SR4 guard removed plug holes and refin it. Or get a 1996 20th annv and just remove the glued on guard.
 
Thinking about the last few gigs I've attended, I've most often seen a Fender--either a J or P (one Geddy Lee sig), also have seen a Lakland, a Sterling, a Danelectro, and a couple of Schecters lately. I've never seen anyone else with a Jaguar in town, so I wonder if I'm the only one.

I think you're always going to find more Fenders, but that's a pretty wide variety in a good music town.
 
I still see people playing them, including myself. The market is saturated with "used" Stingrays, which might be one reason EB has come up with something different, in hopes to boost sales. Why buy a new Ray when a used one can be had for half the price. My 2 cents
I have to admit, I am a current stingray classic user, but I really really want one of those new ones.
 
People also stick with what they know. Most of us all started with some form of p or jazz bass. I just get tired of people posting hearsay. I totally get not liking an instrument. I think dingwalls look crazy and would never own one. Therefore I never post how I don’t like them based on something I have read or heard from some dude in a store.
 
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I think it is personal thing. No one can really say one is better than the other as it is up to the player what sounds good and what they are comfortable with.
For example, I had a Ric 4001 in the early 70's and since have had 4 Rics since trying to recreate the magic, but every time I am disappointed and move on. Some might say the Ric is the holy grail, but not for me
Just my two cents
 
It seems like Music Man Stingrays aren't as popular with working bassists (especially rock bassists) as they were 15-20 years ago, while on the other hand, P basses, J basses and Rics seem more popular than ever in this niche.

Any thoughts on why this may be? The desire for passive grind is the only explanation that I can think of, since the Stingray is otherwise a marvelous instrument.

I don’t know if they have lost popularity and/or sales or not? If they have, there maybe a few reasons why. Especially going forward with the major price increases across the board.

I think the new price increase across the board will hurt future sales. They raised prices on all of their basses by around $500.00. With the new Stingrays, I could see a price increase on them due to all of the changes made. Especially, adding roasted necks as standard options. With their other basses, I could see having a price increase but certainly not around $400.00-$600.00. Especially their passive basses. Those basses are not worth $2,000.00 or more. Especially, with their very limited options. Like others have said, and I agree with them on this. By now pricing all of their basses at $2,000.00 or more, you now compete with a lot of custom shop and boutique brands that build much better basses and give you way more options.

Another thing maybe the offshores brand. Again, I agree with others on this view of the confusion. You have an Ernie Ball Music Man Sterling bass, a Music Man SUB bass that is now discontinued. Sterling by Music Man basses and then Sterling by Music Man Sub series basses and I think wasn’t there an OLP Music Man too? In 2010, I got my first Ernie Ball Music Man Sterling bass. I traded an acoustic guitar for it but was really worried I was getting the Sterling by Music Man bass. I had the guy assure me it was the American Made Sterling and the forum members helped educate me on the differences but to a new person, all of those names being similar or the same causes lots of confusion.

Since 2010, I have owned approximately 30 Ernie Ball Music Man guitars and basses. For the most part, Music Man has pretty good quality control and good customer service. But they also do many things that turn off customers and cause them to not return and/or sell off their Music Man instruments and go with another brand. Things like requiring a 1 for 1 swap on bodies, necks, electronics and I think other components. I had a buddy in Nashville that had his Stingray stolen at a show they were playing. It happened while he was on stage playing and someone broke into the bands greenroom backstage and took it. The venue was supposed to have good security but they obviously dropped the ball that night. About a year or so later, his bass was recovered in an abandoned storage unit. The bass had some dings and scratches on the body that weren’t there before and all of the electronics, volume and eq plate and bridge were missing. My buddy contacted EBMM customer service and tried to get replacement parts. Even after offering to send them a copy of the Police report, EBMM wouldn’t sell him the pickups and electronics. I think the plate and bridge could be bought but that was it. My buddy ended up parting out the bass and has said that he will never buy another EBMM product again.

You then have the forum. The staff at EBMM and the members of the forum have done some incredibly wonderful things for people over the years. Myself included in that mix but then you have some people, ironically, also myself, that get rubbed the wrong way and mistreated if you don’t agree with everything. Sterling Ball has a wonderful heart for helping others and it will always be appreciated by myself and my family for what he and many of the forum members did for us. But then, if someone asks a question not liked or a person openly disagrees with something, Sterling goes off and so do some of the forum members. This is what led me to no longer use any Ernie Ball/Music Man product ever again. I am also not the only one who feels that way or has had that happen to them. The Guitar Center I frequent used to call me all the time, if they had a customer with a Music Man question and they didn’t know the answer. I was able to help them answer the customers questions and in turn, they sold at least 4 or 5 basses from calling me. I will now, no longer do that. With the new Stingrays, I was planning on buying at least 2 new 4 strings and 2 new 5 strings this year, but not now. My money will spend just as good somewhere else.

With the Music Man logo, I have never really paid any attention to it. I never hated it or disliked it but also never did cartwheels over it because I thought it was cool. I have always liked the headstock and the uniqueness of the tuner configuration though. Anyway, I hope all the best for them and hope they do well going forward.
 
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