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Stingray popularity decline?

But how does it sound and play to you?

I greatly prefer my fully custom warmoth P (Jazz neck) or a G&L ASAT, both of which can be bought for several hundred dollars less than a typical new MM.

MM necks feel like playing a 2x4. They are basically just a bass full of compromises, not very versatile or particularly great tone wise. P's sound better, J's and G&L's are more versatile, the MM just kinda falls short in both respects.
 
I greatly prefer my fully custom warmoth P (Jazz neck) or a G&L ASAT, both of which can be bought for several hundred dollars less than a typical new MM.

MM necks feel like playing a 2x4. They are basically just a bass full of compromises, not very versatile or particularly great tone wise. P's sound better, J's and G&L's are more versatile, the MM just kinda falls short in both respects.
It’s the same width as an American P Bass and it’s thinner front to back. Warwick’s and Ricks have thick necks. My SR neck is pretty much average thickness. About the same as a G&L.
 
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I've long since moved on to custom Stambaughs, but for about 10 years a Stingray was my main bass. They're excellent instruments. I actually ended up having the neck at the nut on my '88 (#B027077 if anybody out there ended up with it lol) shaved down to Jazz Bass width and made fretless.

I have always believed a 'Ray can do anything from a tonal standpoint. I've recorded and performed diverse stylings of music and have never had an issue with an engineer or bandleader regarding my tone.
True story: Around 1993 I recorded an album with Othello Molineaux. It was reviewed in Bass Player and when instrumentation was listed, it indicated: Marcus Willett: fretted and fretless Jazz Basses.

Every song I played on the album (7 total) was with my fretted Music Man.
 
The Lou Reed/Iggy Pop/Talking Heads crowd resisted a lot of that modern progress. The Stingray has always been battery powered. And expensive.

Tina Weymouth did not resist modernity.

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Random list of Music Man players:

Tim Commerford
Louis Johnson
Ross Valroy
Randy Jackson
Keith Horne
Blasko
Michael Anthony
Pino Palladino
Dave Pomeroy
Tony Levin
Gary Tallent
Part of the problem is probably that everyone you listed is 50+ years old now and most of the dad band guys already have Musicmans if they want them.


I think things are cyclical. You couldn’t give away P basses and short scales at one point in time. Active “super jazzes” were all everyone wanted 6-10 years ago.
I agree
People also stick with what they know. Most of us all started with some form of p or jazz bass. I just get tired of people posting hearsay. I totally get not liking an instrument. I think dingwalls look crazy and would never own one. Therefore I never post how I don’t like them based on something I have read or heard from some dude in a store.
my dingwall and my last stingray. May look completely different to some people but for people like myself who’ve mostly owned coffee table basses I’d say they both have kind of a similar vibe aesthetically.
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Add Cliff Williams to that list...
He’s 68 years old. Everyone above 40 who wants a musicman probably already has one by now.
I still see people playing them, including myself. The market is saturated with "used" Stingrays, which might be one reason EB has come up with something different, in hopes to boost sales. Why buy a new Ray when a used one can be had for half the price. My 2 cents
very good point, I agree this is a big part of it.
 
My 2 cents: I always wrote off stingrays as their 'iconic sound' is that trebley 'zing'. Not my cuppa tea. Not to mention it is the sound demos usually focus on.

Then I saw King Crimson and the badazz Tony Levin with his SR5. Thick, meaty, not at all 'zingy'/thin. Then I tried one. That treble knob moves, who knew? I think it can do thick, punchy, meaty. So with the sounds being more old school focused, it might be that folks don't realize the versatility a stingray has.

A 4 string black with maple is on my GAS shortlist now. And yes their sterling/SUB line are to me the best new bass you can buy for $300drooldrooldrool
 
A couple of excellent bassists that I know have both played Sting Rays since the mid 70s - early 80s. They always sounded killer too. I think that the re-done MM Sting Ray are probably good instruments. My only concern about them is their gigantic price increase that puts these basses into a different class.

As far as the marketing goes, EB needs to take a long look at what its doing. They have three lines of basses (and guitars too) without enough differentiation. I'm not going to criticize their convoluted logos, only the lack of any clear signs of what each line is and does. They're lowering the value of the products that they're now charging big money for.
 
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I don’t know if they have lost popularity and/or sales or not? If they have, there maybe a few reasons why. Especially going forward with the major price increases across the board.

I think the new price increase across the board will hurt future sales. They raised prices on all of their basses by around $500.00. With the new Stingrays, I could see a price increase on them due to all of the changes made. Especially, adding roasted necks as standard options. With their other basses, I could see having a price increase but certainly not around $400.00-$600.00. Especially their passive basses. Those basses are not worth $2,000.00 or more. Especially, with their very limited options. Like others have said, and I agree with them on this. By now pricing all of their basses at $2,000.00 or more, you now compete with a lot of custom shop and boutique brands that build much better basses and give you way more options.

Another thing maybe the offshores brand. Again, I agree with others on this view of the confusion. You have an Ernie Ball Music Man Sterling bass, a Music Man SUB bass that is now discontinued. Sterling by Music Man basses and then Sterling by Music Man Sub series basses and I think wasn’t there an OLP Music Man too? In 2010, I got my first Ernie Ball Music Man Sterling bass. I traded an acoustic guitar for it but was really worried I was getting the Sterling by Music Man bass. I had the guy assure me it was the American Made Sterling and the forum members helped educate me on the differences but to a new person, all of those names being similar or the same causes lots of confusion.

Since 2010, I have owned approximately 30 Ernie Ball Music Man guitars and basses. For the most part, Music Man has pretty good quality control and good customer service. But they also do many things that turn off customers and cause them to not return and/or sell off their Music Man instruments and go with another brand. Things like requiring a 1 for 1 swap on bodies, necks, electronics and I think other components. I had a buddy in Nashville that had his Stingray stolen at a show they were playing. It happened while he was on stage playing and someone broke into the bands greenroom backstage and took it. The venue was supposed to have good security but they obviously dropped the ball that night. About a year or so later, his bass was recovered in an abandoned storage unit. The bass had some dings and scratches on the body that weren’t there before and all of the electronics, volume and eq plate and bridge were missing. My buddy contacted EBMM customer service and tried to get replacement parts. Even after offering to send them a copy of the Police report, EBMM wouldn’t sell him the pickups and electronics. I think the plate and bridge could be bought but that was it. My buddy ended up parting out the bass and has said that he will never buy another EBMM product again.

You then have the forum. The staff at EBMM and the members of the forum have done some incredibly wonderful things for people over the years. Myself included in that mix but then you have some people, ironically, also myself, that get rubbed the wrong way and mistreated if you don’t agree with everything. Sterling Ball has a wonderful heart for helping others and it will always be appreciated by myself and my family for what he and many of the forum members did for us. But then, if someone asks a question not liked or a person openly disagrees with something, Sterling goes off and so do some of the forum members. This is what led me to no longer use any Ernie Ball/Music Man product ever again. I am also not the only one who feels that way or has had that happen to them. The Guitar Center I frequent used to call me all the time, if they had a customer with a Music Man question and they didn’t know the answer. I was able to help them answer the customers questions and in turn, they sold at least 4 or 5 basses from calling me. I will now, no longer do that. With the new Stingrays, I was planning on buying at least 2 new 4 strings and 2 new 5 strings this year, but not now. My money will spend just as good somewhere else.

With the Music Man logo, I have never really paid any attention to it. I never hated it or disliked it but also never did cartwheels over it because I thought it was cool. I have always liked the headstock and the uniqueness of the tuner configuration though. Anyway, I hope all the best for them and hope they do well going forward.

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A very thoughtful and well written post, Bassist Jay.
 
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Sounds good, but are the necks still like baseball bats?