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Double Bass Suggestions for a Preamp?

I found one of these at my local music shop (The Amp Shop & Bass Exchange) and was able to spend some serious time with it thanks to the super-cool sales guy Justin. Since it didn't seem like there was any info here, I figured I'd write a review myself...

Methodology: I brought my bass (Shen Willow Flatback with a Fishman Full Circle), DI (Avalon U5) and headphones into the shop and a/b-ed the sounds of bass-> U5-> headphones vs. bass-> pre-> U5-> headphones.

The first thing that struck me about the Acoustimax was its mute switch. I love this feature and think it ought to be on everything. Sometimes I use a stompbox tuner, but more often than not, I use my Intellitouch, and don't really need to have the audience hear me tuning.

Anyway...This is a really flexible unit. The sweepable mids and notch make it possible to isolate and cut or boost certain frequencies for either detailed tone-shaping or feedback cutting applications. I was also able to get lots of different sounds out of my bass... Except for one: The natural tone of my bass!

I found this to be a very affected sounding unit. It seemed to sound ok when I was playing with the different features and experimenting with the eq and sonic maximizer settings, but once I plugged the bass back directly into my U5 it was like "Oh, yeah. This is what an acoustic instrument is supposed to sound like."

The sonic maximizer feature I also found pretty useless for upright bass. I've used maximizers as part of a foh rack for an overall mix and also on electric bass and guitar and found it to be an interesting effect that can add subtle depth and presence that you don't really notice until you turn it off, but in this setting, it just sounded brittle and added hiss.

I can, however, visualize a variety of situations where this could be a great unit. For instance if you were playing using an upright in more of a rock setting and looking for tones other than the most natural (like a dub or acid jazz type thing), or if you used it in between your DI to front-of-house and your amp to combat feedback, etc.

I don't feel I need a pre to enhance the sound of my instrument. I like the way it sounds on its own; I'd just like something to help eliminate that piezo clackiness and help isolate and eliminate feedback in live situations.

I don't consider myself a tone purist, and even I found it too affected, so I can't imagine that anyone looking for clean, natural upright tone from a pre would like this unit.

-b
 
Saw the bit about the Sansamp Acoustic driver - anyone try using a Sansamp Bass driver? I've got a Six Rounds Rockabilly pickup (dual piezo) that's just toooo twangy for all but a few songs. Think the Bass Driver could warm things up?

I play Eastern European-influenced rock - think Devotchka or Gogol Bordello or Beirut. Going through a 12" Fender Bassman 150 amp.
 
I have a Para Driver and use it as my DI when a soundguy forces me to run DI to the FOH. The "tubey" warmth and speaker sim seems to put a much better sound out to the FOH than a direct out of my amp can. (tames the piezo quack) I send an uneffected signal to my amp for my monitor, I like the cleaner / crisper GK sound for hearing myself. This way I can EQ my amp and the DI signal separately.

I hate that "direct off the pickup" sound going out to the PA.

I ideally mic my amp if possible and that puts some "air" between the pickup and FOH, IMO. Makes me happier. Only use the Para Driver when I have to go DI.
 

I own a Headway EDB-1 and if you're willing to put up with it's little inconsistencies, then it can be a great little box.

Since the input gain structure on Channel 1 is so hot, it really wasn't a good match with my older Realist Pickup (copper foil version). I've heard that this can be a problem with the Full Circle as well.

My solution was to send the unit back to Headway and have their technician modify Channel 1, lowering it to unity gain. Once that was done, the Realist's output wasn't an issue anymore.

David Gage's solution, was to provide a attenuated Planet Waves cable that lowers the Realist's output, and solves this problem without having to do any modification on the circuitry of the EDB-1. The modification can be reversed, but, the charges for sending it back and forth to Headway, make it very expensive to do more than once.

Blending the Realist with a DPA 4099 worked well, but since the DPA requires 48 volts phantom power and the Headway only provides 18 volts, there is a noticeable hiss that is audible, it tends to disappear in the mix, but it's nonetheless there.

Using either of my Walter Woods amplifiers, the Pre Amp section of the Headway boosts the signal so much that it's better just to send it's signal directly into their power amp sections, bypassing the Woods' pre amps. Having to EQ the Woods to compensate for the Headway just wasn't practical. From what I gather it really works best into a powered speaker like a QSC K10.

Ric

P.S. I guess, for me at least, having to purchase a new power amp, or powered speaker, just doesn't offset the Headway's feature set. The added cost of modifying the box, or purchasing a cable to use the Realist may also be a consideration.
 

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