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Sustain - Is it Overrated?

TheCouchBassist

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Aug 20, 2013
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So I’ve been playing for around 10 or 11 years now and have been a TalkBass junkie for pretty much the entire time. I’ve had around 20-25 different basses during this timeframe from $300-$400 models all the up to ones in the $2,500 range. With all those basses I’m not sure I’ve ever had one that truly (by definition) didn’t have at least one dead spot. Obviously some were more pronounced than others. That said one of thing I’ve learned with playing is the importance of your technique especially in the sense of muting strings so you don’t get the sympathetic vibration string noise (I.e. playing cleanly). I play primarily with my fingers so it’s usually some variation of the floating thumb technique. My point and question is this, it seems like controlling the dynamics and/or unwanted sustain/ringing of the wrong notes is more important than sustain and yet it seems we fixate on finding the unicorn bass where each note rings out perfectly on every fret on every string. I get the importance of sustain from a guitars perspective, but do we overrate sustain when it comes to bass? For example, so many of or 60’s and 70’s bass heroes used flats and stuck sponges under the strings close to the bridge. That seems to suggest sustain wasn’t at all important to them. Why then has it become so important to us?
 
Caution - over-generalizations ahead.

It has become more important as the role of bass has changed (which is why basses no longer come with mutes, and we generally don't use them, unless we are looking to replicate that vibe). When basses had mutes, the choice of strings was limited to flats.

Yes, I think the fixation for some is silly, other than to ensure that response is even for all strings.
 
As a whole, I do believe it is overrated, though I don't want to discount it for those that have a legitimate need for it.

It sure seems pretty important to this guy
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All depends on the gig and your perspective.

From a 10,000 ft view perspective, long notes for lower strings are generally useful. In orchestra, we use instruments which can be bowed; and that gives access to a whole range of sustain from pizz thud to legato / portamento expression.

The bass guitar generally can’t be bowed. So, we seek long notes other ways. But even with round wounds etc thud can still be obtained by various muting techniques, such as mechanical mutes, palm muting etc.

Bottom line: it is easier to get an instrument capable of sustain to produce thud vs the other way around. So, if you are interested in versatility, then yes we value sustain.

That said, learning to mute unwanted resonances is also a part of good technique.

Hope that helps.
 
If I need more sustain than what my Precision with flats provides, I'll just hit the note and jam the butt of my bass against my cab. One finger on the volume knob, and infinite controllable sustain. :thumbsup:
All mine are sustain machines. In fact, when I return from vacation tonight I bet the last one played will still be ringing.:D
 
This. There exists a host of playing techniques that can be used alone or in combination to kill a note in pretty much any manner you choose, but I don't know of a single one that can create sustain, and only one or two that can fake it.

Eh, everybody should just chase the tone they need. I could also argue that the specific way my setup decays also can't quite be faked. It all just comes down to using the right tool for the job.
 
I like the idea of sustain, but sure I think people try too hard to "manufacture" it when, personally, I think sustain is something that's defined by the instrument as everything that goes together, not by individual components.
 
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I always thought of it the other way around.
I like having an instrument with a lot of natural sustain.
Sustain is easy to get rid of with bridge mutes, sponges, palm muting etc...
On the other side it seems to be a lot harder to add to an instrument.
As for dead spots, I used to notice dead spots in instruments a lot more frequently 15-20 years ago. Back when there were shops that carried instruments I would play every fret to check for dead/uneven notes on any instrument before I really started testing the guitar/bass to see if I liked it.
I currently own 4 basses and 3 guitars with no dead spots so there are good fretboards out there. Even my G&l tribute has no dead spots.
 
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