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SVT-212AV VS. PF-410HLF

#21
I have both of those cabs and use the 410HLF with an SVT7Pro, which is in the wattage
range of your amp. It sounds great, has good clarity and as much or as little bottom as you
want to dial in. The 10's do have a slight mid bump edgyness to them that the 2x12av cab doesn't,
mainly because they are 10's I'd guess. It's a good cab, light weight and easy to load and haul.
Get a Studio Slips cover for it...worth the extra $.
 
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Biggbass said:
I have both of those cabs and use the 410HLF with an SVT7Pro, which is in the wattage
range of your amp. It sounds great, has good clarity and as much or as little bottom as you
want to dial in. The 10's do have a slight mid bump edgyness to them that the 2x12av cab doesn't,
mainly because they are 10's I'd guess. It's a good cab, light weight and easy to load and haul.
Get a Studio Slips cover for it...worth the extra $.
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Thanks- I am going to look into the 410he this week end, and I am on the hunt for the elusive 212 to try out.
 
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johnpbass said:
Question: So is the 800 watt power rating on the PF410HLF a "fart out" rating? Some of Ampeg's other cabs are rated that way, IIRC.
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RMS power rating from the Ampeg site is 800 watts. That's thermal, so you'd start seeing fart out at about half that - 400w average - which is very very loud. At those levels I would use a bit of compression to ease the abuse on note attack.

The SVT 410HE/HLF are rated for 500W RMS, which seems more realistic, but wouldn't market well with the PF800. :D
 
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212AV's not too elusive; just bought two of em from Sweetwater.com. And if you call in ask them to discount it abit, they did for both mine and my V-4B.

I used whole rig last nite at my biker-bar gig. Was pretty friggin awesome. I like a lot of lows and I used P5 w/tapes and it went plenty low and loud for me. Had no PA support last nite but the rig held it's own easily with plenty to spare. And this with two very loud gitards loaded with tube amps.
 

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That's all I use is 5ers, '08 Am St P5 & Skyline JoBo5. I have a couple active 5ers but haven't used them with this rig yet. I'm really into my passive basses these days. I had very good low end even on the low C and D notes which I use often in my bands. This was in a loud, blues rock band that throw in a couple Marley tunes. I dialed in some low end reggae and both gitards looked over n smiled. This was with the two 212AVs & V4B.

Got a single 212AV first so I used a GB 12.2 with Jazz5 at a med sized club gig w/ no PA support. Same loud band, smaller club but gitards sorta ganged up on me with volume. So I ordered another 212AV for volume and went ahead and ordered the V-4B.

The single 212AV w/600 watt 12.2 and J5 was really plenty and prolly would be at most club gigs I do with this band. At times with PA support. But its nice now having that second cab up by my ears. I'll just use the volume knob to be fair to the bands. :smug: I think some have said the PF-410HLF has some very nice low end if you're thinking single cab. I think it's a 8 ohm cab, shouldn't matter volume wise.
 
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ErnieD said:
212AV's not too elusive; just bought two of em from Sweetwater.com. And if you call in ask them to discount it abit, they did for both mine and my V-4B.

I used whole rig last nite at my biker-bar gig. Was pretty friggin awesome. I like a lot of lows and I used P5 w/tapes and it went plenty low and loud for me. Had no PA support last nite but the rig held it's own easily with plenty to spare. And this with two very loud gitards loaded with tube amps.
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DROOOL!! Man That is a beautiful stack!
 
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OK, I was able to plug into a 410he last night. I really liked it, however I am a little worried that is may not have quite enough bottom. So... I'm looking more and more at the 212AV or a 112AV with the possibility of adding a second 112av if need be. Any thoughts?
 
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I mentioned in another Ampeg thread just a few mins ago that I ordered a single 112AV cab last week. I wanted to try it with one of my 212AV cabs as 3x12's w/V-4B head. While here at home, I ran the V-4B thru the single 112AV cab w/P5. It got fairly loud but I just feel the 212AV cab is something kinda special. So not sure two, 112AV's will sound as nice as a single 212AV. Haven't tried two, 112AV's so just speculating here.

The 112 is quite light, doesn't feel like the 45lbs they spec it at. Was kinda odd to me that the 112AV has a single handle on one side of cab only, but it works to lug this small cab around. I'm actually getting a new 112AV this week because the cab has no Velcro, just the grill does. So grill wont stay in place.

I have a couple weeks to return the 112AV I just received, so I will get a chance to listen to two, 112AVs soon. But prolly just at sorta, loudish, home alone volume. Hey, who knows, I may dig it. But the single, 212AV is not hard to move around. Two were, so I sent the other 212AV back today.

I've never tried the 410he cab; is that a sealed cab? I may be wrong but just from my impression of the single 112AV, I feel any 410 is gona be louder, lower than even two 112AV's. But you may not need that, I only use 5 stringers and the 212AV sounds awesome with my J5 and P5 +V-4B.

Now, I haven't gigged the 112AV yet. I planned to use the 112AV+212AV+V-4B at gig in a couple weeks to see if that works for me. Again, two, 112AV's are working for some folks here, some with PF800/500 amps, so may work for you as well. Seems now, I'll get to hear two 112AV's afterall. Keep us posted and good luck.
 
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Yes, the 410he is a sealed cabinet. Let me know how the two 112s sound and I will let you guys know what I decide to purchase. Lookin more and more like it will be the 212 tho since the bands I play in are not loud (we all know our place in the mix). Thanks for taking the time!
 
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The Chuck said:
Yes, the 410he is a sealed cabinet. Let me know how the two 112s sound and I will let you guys know what I decide to purchase. Lookin more and more like it will be the 212 tho since the bands I play in are not loud (we all know out place in the mix). Thanks for taking the time!
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Well, if y'all have good volume control, maybe a single or two 112AV's will work for you. You'd save a few bucks going with single 212AV cab over two 112AV's. The 112AV feels very light and can be carried easily with the single handle it has. If you don't care to schlep the 66lb 212AV; two 112AV's will be about 90lbs but you can move em one at a time.

And as you describe above sound-control-wise, I'd imagine a 410he, 212AV maybe even single 112AV may work for you. Good thing, if you first get a 112AV, you can always get a second. But there are a lot more, lighter, louder, lower and just nicer cabs out there for the about $1000 you'd pay for two 112AV's. But you should just get what you need and like. It's your rig, you gotta be the one to like it most. :thumbsup: Good luck bud.
 
#36
I use a PF-800 with a PF-410HLF. It's lows are pretty monstrous - especially with a low B. I have two PF-410HLFs so when I need the 800watts (or just want it) I have that option. I've never played my head with an SVT-212AV, but I would go with the PF-410HLF. At 8ohms you always have the option to connect another 8ohm cab to play at 4ohms. If you already have a 4ohm cab that's all you get. I'm usually DI'ed to the house system so with two cabs I have the option to use one as a monitor and I could use the other as a monitor for my drummer.
 
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A while ago I purchased a used Loud 410hlf with the idea of keeping it at our practice space. I read the reviews so knew to expect a muddy, low end dominated sound and at first practice this is what I got - although still a workable bass tone and a little more defined than I had expected. Since then, and having become more familiar with it, I have been able to eq a perfectly workable and very acceptable sound out of it with the V4B. It is not brain surgery to reduce the bass and boost mids and the V4B has tone controls which match the cab very nicely and it is nice to have plenty of lows in reserve should I need them. The main reason why it doesn't get more gig use is that my other cabs are an easier shift.
There seems to be a trend to put this cab down, but it is certainly worth considering. Ampeg designed it as a stand alone full range cab and it fits this bill very nicely and goes plenty loud with the V4B. Its inherent tone is not that of an 810 but neither was it designed that way. As Jimmy points out, since Loud took over they have changed this speaker for the better, and no doubt much of its bad rap come from its earlier days - but there also do seem to be plenty of people who happily gig this cab as their main rig. It might not be my favourite Ampeg cab, but I would happily gig it and am confident a little sensible eq'ing can take advantage of its aim to provide full range versatility.
 
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