SVT-212AV VS. PF-410HLF

[The Chuck]

I have narrowed it down to these two choices. The SVT-212AV and the PF-410HLF.

I am using the PF-800 head at this time.

I am looking for something that can handle the 800 and that isn't bottom heavy.

Any experiences or input would be appreciated- thanks everyone.

Chuck

 

[SirMjac28]

I have the SVT212AV paired with a V4B it is awesome

 

[CL400Peavey]

I have narrowed it down to these two choices. The SVT-212AV and the PF-410HLF.

I am using the PF-800 head at this time.

I am looking for something that can handle the 800 and that isn't bottom heavy.

Any experiences or input would be appreciated- thanks everyone.

Chuck

Neither. 800 watts isnt going to do you any good with the 212, as it is 4 Ohms. The PF0410HLF lines up better with power, but is bigger down low.

You may want to look at the 410he.

 

[Ryan L.]

Why wouldn't 800 watts do him any good with the 212? At 4 ohms the cab would be seeing full power from the head......What am I missing?

 

[The Chuck]

Neither. 800 watts isnt going to do you any good with the 212, as it is 4 Ohms. The PF0410HLF lines up better with power, but is bigger down low.

You may want to look at the 410he.

The PF-800 is 400 watts at 8 ohms and 800 at 4 ohms so I thought that would be a good fit for the 212AV.
I'll seriously consider the 410he- it is in the same ballpark price wise too.

 

[johnpbass]

I think CL400 means that the 212AV is 4 ohm but rated for 600 watts. It couldn't take full potential of the PF800's 800 watts. You could always go easy on the Master though.

 

[CL400Peavey]

Why wouldn't 800 watts do him any good with the 212? At 4 ohms the cab would be seeing full power from the head......What am I missing?

The 212's are going to be hitting their mechanical limits well below that point. More around ~400 watts. Head room is a great thing, but that amount of head room is just asking for a blown woofer. If he is looking for a cab that will "handle the 800", which I take as "I want a cab that will take the full power of my amp." the 212av is not the best choice for him.

 

[The Chuck]

Why wouldn't 800 watts do him any good with the 212? At 4 ohms the cab would be seeing full power from the head......What am I missing?

That is why I am leaning toward the 212- the 4 ohm and using all 800 watts.

 

[CL400Peavey]

The PF-800 is 400 watts at 8 ohms and 800 at 4 ohms so I thought that would be a good fit for the 212AV.
I'll seriously consider the 410he- it is in the same ballpark price wise too.

The 212av is a 4 Ohm cab. The 410he is an 8 Ohm cab, and has the nice tight low end that people love about the 810e.

 

[CL400Peavey]

That is why I am leaning toward the 212- the 4 ohm and using all 800 watts.

But you are only going to need about 400 of them to turn your cab to ash.

 

[The Chuck]

The 212's are going to be hitting their mechanical limits well below that point. More around ~400 watts. Head room is a great thing, but that amount of head room is just asking for a blown woofer. If he is looking for a cab that will "handle the 800", which I take as "I want a cab that will take the full power of my amp." the 212av is not the best choice for him.

I get your point and it is well taken. Fortunately, I don't play in loud bands and I don't intend on having to turn it up to the point of causing any damage to the speakers. I just thought it would be better to be using the amp in it's 4 ohm load. I could be wrong.

 

[The Chuck]

But you are only going to need about 400 of them to turn your cab to ash.

Lookin like the 410he may be the way I go- thanks!

 

[CL400Peavey]

I get your point and it is well taken. Fortunately, I don't play in loud bands and I don't intend on having to turn it up to the point of causing any damage to the speakers. I just thought it would be better to be using the amp in it's 4 ohm load. I could be wrong.

And if you are not looking for the additional volume, no reason to worry about an additional 400 watts of head room. The 410he is going to give you a classic tone, line up with power handling, and should you want the additional volume give you the option of adding a second 410he for a big rig.

 

[JimmyM]

I get your point and it is well taken. Fortunately, I don't play in loud bands and I don't intend on having to turn it up to the point of causing any damage to the speakers. I just thought it would be better to be using the amp in it's 4 ohm load. I could be wrong.

I've done the PF800 with both an 8 and 4 ohm load, and it sounds great either way. I also use it with one or two 210av's, which don't come anywhere near the power handling you get out of a 212av. I also think it's Ampeg's best sounding PF head, and I think the extra wattage benefits your tone, even when you don't come anywhere near maxing it out, and I am not a "headroom for headroom's sake" type of guy. I think people forget on here that you don't have to use it turned up all the way.

 

[The Chuck]

I've done the PF800 with both an 8 and 4 ohm load, and it sounds great either way. I also use it with one or two 210av's, which don't come anywhere near the power handling you get out of a 212av. I also think it's Ampeg's best sounding PF head, and I think the extra wattage benefits your tone, even when you don't come anywhere near maxing it out, and I am not a "headroom for headroom's sake" type of guy. I think people forget on here that you don't have to use it turned up all the way.

Thanks Jimmy- I think the PF410hlf is out for me and it is between the 410he and the 212av. Ahhhhh! I'm so torn!

 

[CL400Peavey]

Thanks Jimmy- I think the PF410hlf is out for me and it is between the 410he and the 212av. Ahhhhh! I'm so torn!

You should be able to find a 410he local to you to try out. the 212 might be tougher as it is a newer cab.

 

[The Chuck]

You should be able to find a 410he local to you to try out. the 212 might be tougher as it is a newer cab.

Yeah, that's the problem. I have been to the 4 stores in my area and none have the 212. I wasn't looking at the 410he then so I'll have to check back again for it. LOL- any excuse to get to a music store!

 

[The Chuck]

And if you are not looking for the additional volume, no reason to worry about an additional 400 watts of head room. The 410he is going to give you a classic tone, line up with power handling, and should you want the additional volume give you the option of adding a second 410he for a big rig.

True- since the PF-800 won't handle a 2 ohm load, I could never add another 212 if I wanted to. With e 410he, that option exists if I ever want/need more.

It is amazing how just hashing it out can get a much more clear picture in your mind- thank everyone for your input!

 

[johnpbass]

Question: So is the 800 watt power rating on the PF410HLF a "fart out" rating? Some of Ampeg's other cabs are rated that way, IIRC.

 

[CL400Peavey]

Question: So is the 800 watt power rating on the PF410HLF a "fart out" rating? Some of Ampeg's other cabs are rated that way, IIRC.

Thermal rating.