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SWR Baby Blue II speaker blown?

Long time lurker first ever TB post. I am in talks to buy a SWR Baby Blue II (2x8) and the seller sent the following video. Can anyone help diagnose the potential issue regarding speaker buzz? I understand the original 8" speakers are no longer manufactured and wonder whether or not it's worth trying to revive the amp. Asking price is fair for condition at around $350.

Video via streamable.com:

SWR Baby Blue II - Streamable.com

Thank you for any input!
 
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I didn't, my involvement was afterwards, trying to help with a path forward that never happened (with the exception of the GoLite cabinets and Headlite/GoLite Amps.
Sorry if I got that wrong. Back when I was bantering this around, trying to save that amp, thought I remembered that tidbit from our interactions. Like my bass lines, my memory isn't perfect these days.

Well, it did have a grounding issue, right? Pretty sure we exchanged info about that. Or have I gone totally off the rails?
 
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I don't recall a grounding issue either...

BUT, it appears that there was 3 different versions, the original Baby Blue, the Baby Blue II and a Fender version which may have been called either the Baby Blue (what my service docs suggest) or Baby Blue II. The Fender version was a significant rework of the Baby Blue II, but they all used the no longer available Sanken output devices.

There was also the Spellbinder Blue, which was also based on a similar circuit, but this was the first attempt by Fender to migrate the line to class D, and there were some issues, including the tube power supply board and components being no longer available and I haven't seen a schematic for it either.
 
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I still have and really like my Baby Blue II. I think it has a very cool clean sound. Even though I'm more of a raw rocker or old school clean sound guy at heart, I was instantly attracted to the "classy" clean tone of this amp the first time I heard it, as was my wife who said, "Buy it" when we were shopping for a practice amp for me and I tried this one out (among about a half dozen or so others) even though it was beyond my practice amp budget. Had a lot of fun with it over the years, too.
The preamp tube gives a hint of rubbery compression and sparkle, but overall doesn't do much at all in the way of drive, at least with my basses (all passive, low output, played with not too heavy a hand). The tube probably mainly just makes it run hot, lol, but anyways, the overall sound and feel playing through it is quite attractive, imo. Regarding weight, it's heavy in a way (wouldn't want to walk too far with it), but it's certainly something you can pick up and move around.

It's a bit of a strange size as it's a little bigger/heavier and can get louder than needed for a home practice amp or certainly an apartment or duplex amp, but it's a little smaller than needed for playing with drums, unless the drummer is quite restrained. Still, it can be good for playing in volume limited situations like a coffee shop, or a jam with friends at home where you can be a little loud but the neighbors would complain if people really turned up, etc., a house party, a small room, playing with a non-full drum kit, etc.

I mean, it's not quiet or anything — it's just that it's in that inbetween zone, where it's loud enough to actually play with… but not quite.

Mine's developed a quiet but audible buzz out of the tweeter when playing the low E. Sucks, but I still like it for playing at home. Still dig the tone after all these years.

As to would I buy the one the OP is looking at? Maybe. I'd be tempted. But… yeah, as others have said, you're looking at buying someone else's problem that then becomes your problem. If it's so easy to fix, why doesn't he fix it? And the parts are becoming less and less available, the proprietary speakers no longer made. In some ways, if one really wanted a Baby Blue II, the best thing would be to buy two of them, at least one being in excellent working condition to start with, so as to have on hand everything needed be able to have one amp cobbled together at any given time…

There's other amps out there, so even though this one's not too expensive and the Baby Blue II is (was), at least imo, a pretty special little amp (tastes vary though, so clearly this isn't a universal opinion as can be seen in this thread), I wouldn't spend money on it unless you're handy (you say you arent') and/or have a good relationship with a good amp tech (you seem to not). Could easily end up being a $275 lamp stand that you end up having around taking up space in your room and your head for years until one day you finally throw it out, or end up having to meet some Craigslist sketcho to give it away to. I mean, it doesn't work, and there's no schematics, no replacement parts easily available…

Unless you want a project (you'd be buying a project) and the Baby Blue II among amps particularly attracts you as a possible end result (100% success not guaranteed), with some regret, I vote "pass" too
 
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If anyone finds this thread down the road schematics are here.

Power amp


Pre-Amp

BassicJazzy posted earlier regarding the schematics you linked to, "The manual you attached is for the reengineered BB2. That was after FMIC… redesigned the amp circuits... I do not know what version the OP is considering, but there is no schematic for the ones produced in Sylmar factory by original SWR team.

Do you know different? (I don't know, I'm just asking). If these are the schematics for the original (non-Fender) SWR Baby Blue II, I'll want to save them for reference
 
BassicJazzy posted earlier regarding the schematics you linked to, "The manual you attached is for the reengineered BB2. That was after FMIC… redesigned the amp circuits... I do not know what version the OP is considering, but there is no schematic for the ones produced in Sylmar factory by original SWR team.

Do you know different? (I don't know, I'm just asking). If these are the schematics for the original (non-Fender) SWR Baby Blue II, I'll want to save them for reference
I have no idea which version OP is considering. I suspect that the schematics are for the FMIC version, which was redesigned. SWR did the repairs on their original equipment at their factory, the ones they sold, The Baby Blue and then the Baby Blue 2, so they did not need to publish (or share) schematics. FMIC on the other hand wanted their authorized service centers to be able to work on that (later and redesigned) version of the amp, which they sold. Therefore some schematics were likely produced. These are very hard to locate so the post above is worth downloading even if it is a different version. At least it would give a tech something to go from, even if there are differences.
 
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The fender version has a number of important differences
I didn't think there was to be honest. I have worked on an original version in the past and my own which is a FMIC built unit. I had compared boards at the time as I was curious of the differences due to the recommended minimum impedance change between the Electric blue head (original amp from the Baby Blue combo) 2 ohm 220 WRMS rating to the Baby Baby Blue II heads minimum 4ohm 160 WRMS.

The amps were identical as far as I could tell at that time.

The Spellbinder was a whole other animal that replaced the BBII.

Any background on what the differences were? I don't expect you to go digging and looking but if you can remember off the top of your head I'd be curious to know what I likely missed.
 
I have no idea which version OP is considering. I suspect that the schematics are for the FMIC version, which was redesigned. SWR did the repairs on their original equipment at their factory, the ones they sold, The Baby Blue and then the Baby Blue 2, so they did not need to publish (or share) schematics. FMIC on the other hand wanted their authorized service centers to be able to work on that (later and redesigned) version of the amp, which they sold. Therefore some schematics were likely produced. These are very hard to locate so the post above is worth downloading even if it is a different version. At least it would give a tech something to go from, even if there are differences.
Again to my knowledge the difference between the original Baby Blue combo to the Baby Baby Blue II was only the speaker configuration. They moved from a 2x8 to a 110.

But Im just going off memory on that.
 
Again to my knowledge the difference between the original Baby Blue combo to the Baby Baby Blue II was only the speaker configuration. They moved from a 2x8 to a 110.

But Im just going off memory on that.
No, that's not right. The BB2 also had 2x8 plus the 5" BagEnd tweeter. Differences were they moved from BagEnd drivers in the 2x8s to Celestion BDG-8's, and power output increased from 120 to 140 watts. I think there were some improvements in the crossover too. I agree the other circuits were unchanged.

The 110 was the final version of the Baby Blue, years later, made by FMIC when SWR was out of the picture, there in name only.

Here's my BB2, again. Look at the speakers, if you can see them. Ovation is blocking the lower one.
 

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I didn't think there was to be honest. I have worked on an original version in the past and my own which is a FMIC built unit. I had compared boards at the time as I was curious of the differences due to the recommended minimum impedance change between the Electric blue head (original amp from the Baby Blue combo) 2 ohm 220 WRMS rating to the Baby Baby Blue II heads minimum 4ohm 160 WRMS.

The amps were identical as far as I could tell at that time.

The Spellbinder was a whole other animal that replaced the BBII.

Any background on what the differences were? I don't expect you to go digging and looking but if you can remember off the top of your head I'd be curious to know what I likely missed.
I know for sure that the power transformers were different internally, I don't recall what the other differences were and I'm not going to dig through my files.
 
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I know for sure that the power transformers were different internally, I don't recall what the other differences were and I'm not going to dig through my files.
Yeah, I'm really through with this too. What amazes me is people are asking $700 - 800 for these now on Reverb or GC. I gave mine away and other than some buzz it was probably in better shape than many of those units. Oh, well. Past is the past. Rumble is far superior, IMO.
 
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When mine started acting up, similar to this one, I just moved on to a Rumble100.

The BB2 was one of the best sounding amps I ever owned, but as others noted, it wasn't quite loud enough. You folks really think the Rumble sounds better? Just asking because a Rumble 100 showed up locally for $250 and I'm wondering if it will really be loud enough for my blues gigs. The light weight is attracting me.
 
The BB2 was one of the best sounding amps I ever owned, but as others noted, it wasn't quite loud enough. You folks really think the Rumble sounds better? Just asking because a Rumble 100 showed up locally for $250 and I'm wondering if it will really be loud enough for my blues gigs. The light weight is attracting me.
Yes, the Rumble100 is significantly louder. It has more power in the fundamental bass frequencies than the BB2. The BB2 had a very sweet tone, at moderate volumes. You might have to tweak the R100's EQ settings to get a similar tone but you will have more bottom, and more headroom. Some people criticize the Rumble for lack of clarity but it's mostly about amp placement, EQ settings. Don't tuck it in a corner.
 

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