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Taking my Fender CS Masterbuilt --- Hybrid!

SamJ

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I wanted to share just a little snap shot into my day today dealing with the more boutique aspects of bass ownership.

Looks like I'm going to be taking my All Fender Masterbuilt Jazz bass hybrid.. going to swap to a Sadowsky pre-amp and a set of Joe Barden J pickups.. (photo's included). Having played thru the Sadowsky pre-amp a couple of times, I've definitely decided it's superior to the Fender pre-amp. Moreover, this is how Roger made his name originally before he began building basses.

I was originally going to swap my pickups to the Joe Barden J's for more "hi-fi" tone only, but the problem we had with this project was the pickups have a higher resistance than the standard Fender models and so we were worried we'd overdrive the Fender Preamp.. The Fender pre-amp has no way to adjust it (no on board pot), so we were stuck.. until we called over to Sadowsky, that is.

Frank and I conferenced with Roger Sadowsky and discussed my plans.. At first we got the scare of our lives when Roger said he won't sell his pre-amp to anyone unless they have a Sadowsky guitar.. I could see the look on Franks face (As it was his idea to contact Roger).. but that was a miscommunication on the receptionists part as he didn't say I had a Jazz bass, but rather a guitar. He also assumed this was the case since he knows Joe Barden as mostly a guitar pickup and not a bass pickup. Since Sadowsky made his name selling better pre-amps for Fender basses, I would have been shocked to see him stop selling those to anyone without a NYC bass.. We chatted a bit about the technical marriage of the pre-amp and the pickups. Roger felt that his pre-amp could handle any passive pickup, no matter how "hot" it was.. so we hope to be able to do this without the addition of a "Trim pot".

It's very nice to deal with the people here in the US who make your instrument, and it's components. I feel blessed to be able to do this, as it gives me peace of mind after spending large sums of money on this stuff to know it will work.

Prior to this, I also had a chat via facebook with Dennis Galuszka, the builder of my bass to get his thoughts on this project. So we discussed the technical aspects of the marriage of Fender, Sadowsky and Joe Barden and the two ideas merged together. Both sets of parts are on their way fromt their respective location to my place here in Portland via overnight and I hope to have this all pulled together by the end of this week.

BTW, I had been talking to Frank at Joe Barden (he's now the new owner) for a couple of days and I have to say he's a great guy, with a lot of patience and willingness to help. I know some have had issues in the past with their service, but I can safely say this is a company that takes customers seriously.

I will provide a full review of the project as it comes together over the next week.

Sam
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That is a beautiful bass. The Sadowsky preamp is excellent, and if the Joe Barden pickups are as nice as the Tele pickups, you are going to have a real winner.

However, a pickup and preamp swap is not "the more boutique aspects of bass ownership." If anything, it is a more ghetto aspect of bass ownership. On the other hand, any day you talk to either the owner of a well-known pickup manufacturer or Roger Sadowsky is a good day. You did both on the same call - that is a very good day!
 
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That is a beautiful bass. The Sadowsky preamp is excellent, and if the Joe Barden pickups are as nice as the Tele pickups, you are going to have a real winner.

However, a pickup and preamp swap is not "the more boutique aspects of bass ownership." If anything, it is a more ghetto aspect of bass ownership. On the other hand, any day you talk to either the owner of a well-known pickup manufacturer or Roger Sadowsky is a good day. You did both on the same call - that is a very good day!

Believe me, I struggled for 6 years with this concept.. I am (as many here will tell you) a total Fender fanboy... however, for a $6500+ bass, the tone I'm getting from this thing isn't quite up to it's pricetag.. Yes, it's a work of art, and yes it's like butter to play, but the sound of that Fender preamp (pretty much the same preamp in all their active basses) leaves a lot to be desired, and makes more noise than I'd like.. After playing a couple of Sadowsky pre-amps (one on a Fender), I decided that this is the master solution to the tone thing... As for the Pickups ... well, I'm taking a leap of faith on these... IF I don't like them, it's a 10 min job to put the 60's Custom Shop pickups back in there... so it's really not a big risk.

The boutique aspect for me is being able to have all the players involved communicate with me personally.. Considering I'm a nobody (not a rock star, or endorsed artist), I find that to be quite special.
 
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quick update.... both the Sadowsky Pre-amp and the Joe Barden pickups came in today, and I took them down to the authorized Fender luthier at 5-Star guitar in Portland... he's worked on it today and expects to be done tomorrow afternoon. I look forward to reporting on how it all sounds.
 
ok, and now for the after photo's..


BTW, the marriage of a Fender body, Sadowsky pre-amp, and Joe Barden pickups is what I can best describe as a marriage made in heaven... The tone is like nothing I've seen or heard before, different in many ways but better in the same. It's like more of everything. Even in full passive by-pass, these Joe Barden's are phenomenal and I would STRONGLY recommend them to anyone looking for after market Jazz Bass pickups to add something to their tone... They're $284 and never discounted so they're not for everyone's budget but they're worth every penny.

5 stars for the pickups and 5 stars for the pre-amp.

Best part is I took the crappy "Noiseless" pickups off the Teambuilt CS and replaced them with the 60's Custom shop pickups that came off my Masterbuilt.. so it was a double win..

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I'll bet they sound great. I'm not sure I'm a fan of the George Jetson visual effect it has on the bass, though.

you're talking about the design of the pickups? I was honestly torn about that at first, but now I love them.... unique is how I describe it. This bass is truly one of a kind (both in looks and tone now).
 
Sam, I cant quite make out the engraving on the 7th fret inlay - could you please post a larger pic & explain the story behind it?

Fantastic bass, BTW.

You appear to be a man of true class and style, with an affinity for both Fender and Spector basses - just like me... :D

those are my initials S.J.S. .. they get a bit lost as they are black on MOP with a black fretboard.... could have maybe chosen a different color for the text..

Thanks, great minds think alike.
 
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just an update on the Joe Barden's after about 2 weeks of playing the heck out of this bass... which btw, compared to before, I really really really want to play this thing even more now.

I've tried to isolate the pickup review from the pre-amp by using the passive by-pass feature. I'm not one on long winded reviews, and nor am I very good with them so I'll keep it brief and try and pass my experience with the pickups as well as the new preamp.

- The JBE pickups (with some mention of the preamp)

To start with, I just took the cheap "Noiseless" pickups off my team built Jazz bass and put the ones from this bass on it. They were some decent Fender custom wound (slightly overwound) 60's Jazz Bass pickups which did a lot better than the crappy "Noiseless" pickups, so that was a no brainer, as the 60's custom wound were actually quite decent, but a bit "unaggressive" for what I was looking for (which is a slap happy bass ala, Markus Miller).. The lows on the CS pickups were a bit hollow, even with it being overwound, they seemed to be good with brand new strings, but went a bit muddy with strings with more than 10 hours of playtime, the highs were not as high as I'd have liked.... I'd either have to use the pre-amp eq in a more Treble tone or get lost in the mix, which was sort of annoying as too much Treble from the Fender pre-amp and it got very clanky, which isn't helped much by my ultra-low action setup.

The JBE pickups on the other hand, feel more rounded, a bit "more of everything" on tap, and I'd say a bit "Hotter" even in passive. The bass came with a customized Fender Pre-amp on 9v (instead of the standard 18v), so when I swapped to the Sadowsky (a 9v pre-amp itself) it was a lot less work and wiring, but the pre-amp doesn't color the tone as much as with the 18v versions, where there is a very easily overpower the native sound of the pickups with EQ.. The JBE's are a great slap pickup, but that's oddly not what they were designed in mind for (according to Frank, the new owner). They are a bit tricker to adjust for your string / neck radius as there aren't individual magnets to move up and down to match string height, so you have to rely on the 4 screws to adjust the p/u height which I found by leaving it level, it works great.. but BE CAREFUL as these pickups are very sensitive to height and proximity to the strings, more so than the stock Fender's.. So a little goes a long way, and with a pre-amp installed, you have to try it out at maxxed out tone settings to make sure it doesn't begin to overdrive your amp's pre..

The tone of the JBE's is Jazz bass all the way, just more hot, and more extreme.. the highs are higher, the lowes lower (significantly with the new preamp), except that they remain clear and defined thru almost the entire range of the EQ, where as the prior pickups would get a bit too rumbly and thuddy..

- The Sadowsky Pre-amp (with some mention of the pickups)

So as I mentioned in my OP, the pre-amp and pickups were both swapped out at the same time. This pre-amp is a true winner. The tone isn't as dramatically different from a standard passive Jazz Bass as you might imagine. Afterall it is more or less the Sadowsky Jazz bass tone, but with a Fender built body.. It's just clearer, and has a good bit more adjustable bass/treble gamut than the Fender pre's. Plus you gain the all important, and useful "Passive" feature with the pull of a knob. The very same knob also works the "Vintage" tone which when rolled all the way back gets a bit less highs and mids, and becomes more 60's Jazz bass sounding, whereas if you roll it on, you get a more "Active" electronics sound and a cleaner bass tone. The volume is quite linear, more so than the Fender Pre which I find refreshing. Overall, I'd say the tone of this pre-amp is a game changer for your Jazz bass, much more "hi-fi" in it's delivery, so if you're very happy with it's current tone, this might not be for you, but for me, already having one Fender pre-amp Jazz was enough, so I felt this would add to my stable of available sounding basses.