Well, Jeff Beck is like 70 years old, maybe his viagra prescription ran out and looking at Tal could keep him in the game mentally till he got back to see his doctor.
Enjoy the benefits of a premium membership!
Upgrade Account
-
TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
Join free Log in
Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.
Tal Wilkenfeld, who's like her?
- Thread starter Exemonium
- Start date
Well, Jeff Beck is like 70 years old, maybe his viagra prescription ran out and looking at Tal could keep him in the game mentally till he got back to see his doctor.
To the OP, though I haven't read a single post in this thread other than the first 3, TL;DR, Pino Paladino reminds me a lot of what she does. Listening to John Mayer's "Assassin" kind of reminds me of what she does with Jeff Beck. Her style sticks out a little more than Pino's but as far as groove and their place in the pocket, they're similar. IMO, YMMV.
joe vegas said:
One of the best defended positions about Tal Wilkenfeld, or any player, that I've ever read on this forum.
WJGreer said:
How is that defending Tal????
Of course I did not agree wiitu the negative comment about Rhonda either, so I agreed with him on that part. Both are great bassist/musicians!!!
bass12 said:It's the position that's being defended, not Tal.
Ok gotcha. Was just not that clear when I read the reply I guess. I have to respectfully disagree about the boob comment and related comments though. I believe she is an extremely talented bassist and deserves some respect. I just don't like some of the comments on here that I have read. Just feel they are a bit rude and disrespectful to her and her talent. Of course that is my thoughts, lol.
dStar said:
Joe Vegas' post above lucidly analyzed who she sounds like; that was what I liked about it.
I didn't see a lot of boob talk in his post. He suggested that Tal is aware of her sexuality and uses it as part of her brand, which has to be accurate. She would be silly to do otherwise.
dStar said:
Because other people, instead of answering the OP's question were instead making comments that she only got where she was because she was:
1) a girl, 2) her dad paid for her to go to a good school there for that was the only reason she is where she is, 3) the boob comments, she wears her bass the way she does to show off her boob to get the gigs ( how stupid does that sound?) I mean instead of talking about her talent and answering the OP's question they try to act as if she not that great. Well I disagree!!!
I just feel that it is rude to make statements like that and quite frankley sounding a bit sexiest. I am not one to play the race card or sexism card but she is not hear to defend her self and as an admirer of her music I felt like sticking up for her. So what is wrong with that?? As long as people keep ripping on her I will defend her!! I mean how many young bassist have archived what she has? You don't get there by being mediocre. I just get tired of people bashing other musicians. I don't know why we can't just respect everyone's talent.
As far as who to compare her to I am not sure on that. To me she has her own style.
I think Tal doesn't play up her prettiness enough. Out of the t-shirts and into a mini-dress and clear heels.
Jimmy M, that is a great assessment. Agreed.
bassguitarhund, you really should read all the comments in detail, as WJGeer has done, before leaping to conclusions about "people attacking Tal"®.
Throughout this thread, there's virtually zero attack. Everyone cites her abilities as a very good player and no one in the posts faults her at all for getting great gigs. That would just be crazy bitter and illogical as a premise. But not everyone "worships" her on this thread, myself included, nor should they be obligated to. You seem to feel we all must tow the party line or be labeled "Haters" or some such... and that just ain't gonna happen.
again- is Tal a really good player? certainly. all others, particularly the non-acolytes like myself, have said as much.
now... i direct the jury to Munjibunga's post, number 4 on page 1 of the thread,
and to Exemonium's response, number 6 on page 1 of the thread.
...look at the picture, then read the 2 posts. (hopefully they won't be deleted, so they can be read i context).
what, exactly, are they humorously kinda chuckling about?
... and if it's about what we THINK it's about, that's VERY MUCH OK!!!
at least they're acknowledging something that's apparent....
and "That" thing is, also VERY OK!!!!! OBVIOUSLY it's OK.
and referencing a chick's nice, well-organized topside is NOT a slam on her as a woman, OR as a musician. try to see the distinction....
BUT for frigs sakes, let's all not pretend it's not there, and that men are not supposed to respond to it. c'mon guys... we're all adults here.
hund, you should consider your argument against people being rude or "sexiest", as you say directly above (it's "sexist" actually, unless you were quantifying), and read this thread. there are no nasty, disrespectful attacks on here (with the exception of some poster who labeled all guys who make comments about Tal's physique "idiot dudes").
She's really good, totally pro, and not groundbreaking, either as a bassist or a composer. that's my opinion. hopefully it can be respected.
bassguitarhund, you really should read all the comments in detail, as WJGeer has done, before leaping to conclusions about "people attacking Tal"®.
Throughout this thread, there's virtually zero attack. Everyone cites her abilities as a very good player and no one in the posts faults her at all for getting great gigs. That would just be crazy bitter and illogical as a premise. But not everyone "worships" her on this thread, myself included, nor should they be obligated to. You seem to feel we all must tow the party line or be labeled "Haters" or some such... and that just ain't gonna happen.
again- is Tal a really good player? certainly. all others, particularly the non-acolytes like myself, have said as much.
now... i direct the jury to Munjibunga's post, number 4 on page 1 of the thread,
and to Exemonium's response, number 6 on page 1 of the thread.
...look at the picture, then read the 2 posts. (hopefully they won't be deleted, so they can be read i context).
what, exactly, are they humorously kinda chuckling about?
... and if it's about what we THINK it's about, that's VERY MUCH OK!!!
at least they're acknowledging something that's apparent....
and "That" thing is, also VERY OK!!!!! OBVIOUSLY it's OK.
and referencing a chick's nice, well-organized topside is NOT a slam on her as a woman, OR as a musician. try to see the distinction....
BUT for frigs sakes, let's all not pretend it's not there, and that men are not supposed to respond to it. c'mon guys... we're all adults here.
hund, you should consider your argument against people being rude or "sexiest", as you say directly above (it's "sexist" actually, unless you were quantifying), and read this thread. there are no nasty, disrespectful attacks on here (with the exception of some poster who labeled all guys who make comments about Tal's physique "idiot dudes").
She's really good, totally pro, and not groundbreaking, either as a bassist or a composer. that's my opinion. hopefully it can be respected.
JAUQO III-X
Inactive
I don't know about groundbreaking, but I do think she's different in some ways. Unlike some other players, she seems to be able to just play a song or solo without jamming to much in. I don't get a sense of ego when listening to her play. As to her talent level, I'm not qualified to judge that. And really, I don't care. As to her looks, she should use them more. It would help her career, so why not?
joe vegas said:
Umm I did read the entire thread. Maybe you don't realize how some of the statements made sound or maybe I took it to seriously? Either way
I did get upset and I am not an angry person. I am really laid back about things. So in order to keep my cool I am just going to leave this thread now. No hard feelings still like ya all. Just disagree with a couple of peeps on here and I will leave it at that.
After all like everyone else I have the right to my feelings and opinions. Peace
Roy Vogt
Supporting Member
- Sep 20, 2000
- 4,433
- 537
- Disclosures
- Endorsing Artist: Kiesel Basses, Ampeg Amplification, Hotone Ampero II effects
OK, finally had time to watch Live at Ronnie Scott's. IMO, Tal is carrying herself like any other musician on that stage. She's dressed down in T shirt and jeans and obviously having a great time playing but decidedly she came to play and she's totally acing the gig. I can't believe I waited this long to check this out.
I don't think she's trading on sex appeal, but her very solid musicianship. Back in the Day Peter Frampton was sold as a Sex Object, but I saw him numerous times before Comes Alive and he was a serious, serious guitarist. I think she'd be doing something good regardless of gender or appearance personally.
I don't think she's trading on sex appeal, but her very solid musicianship. Back in the Day Peter Frampton was sold as a Sex Object, but I saw him numerous times before Comes Alive and he was a serious, serious guitarist. I think she'd be doing something good regardless of gender or appearance personally.
