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Double Bass tall guy playing a 1/4 sized bass

Sounds fair to me GretschWretch. After rereading your post, I have to agree, that is a problem here on TB. :thumbsup:
It is true, no one even asked what type of Bass it was, for all we know it could be a previously undiscovered 1/4 Stradivarius or Montagnana bass.
So what type of bass is it tuBass?

Sorry I took it more as something more personal GW, my bad. I just felt like you threw people under the bus, without you yourself actually addressing anything either. So I ask this question in love, what's your opinion GW, should he get this 1/4 size bass as a first DB? I attempted to give real world advice on DB's and my share my experience with my 1/2 kay, the technique that I use on it, and point out that's it's not as loud as any of my larger basses. Why I expanded is, sometimes what we want today, may not be what we want tomorrow. When I first got interested in DB, like the OP I wanted a DB for playing pizz amplified too. However, once I had a DB, I quickly got invited to a lot of big acoustic jams, unamplified outside situations, got asked to play arco stuff etc.. I discovered players outside of jazz, like Rabbath, Meyer, Karr, Fons-Garcia, even our own Sypher..etc. I quickly fell in love with arco playing and today, I probably play more with a bow then I do with my fingers. I was just trying to give him things to consider, and point out, that our wants and needs might change quickly. For a first DB I personally thought it might be better to have 1 instrument that works in as many playing situations as possible. The size of the bass wasn't as much of an issue for me, as I just felt the OP might benefit from taking a step back and weighing his options, before jumping on the purchase.


Fair all around, Matty. Thanks for your gracious response. I will say, first, that I envy your experience and skill level. I'm not there yet; maybe one day. Also, from your perspective and with your intent, I probably would have posted the same comments as you. No gaps between intent and execution on your part. And, taking the large view of embarking on an adventure with upright bass,
they are things that should be said. I just wished some words could have been directed towards OP's specific query as well.

So, for OP's initial query and intended application, I am fine with the quarter-sizer. But, to reply to your direct question to me, "So I ask this question in love, what's your opinion GW, should he get this 1/4 size bass as a first DB?" I would reply, if OP is looking to become an upright bassplayer beyond the occasional bluegrass tune in church (still trying to wrap my mind around that one), no, he should not. It is too much a niche instrument. It would be like someone getting a six-string bass for their first electric. IMO we should begin with the industry standard and then diversify.

Having said all this (sheesh, this is going to be a long post), let me say that I an an extremely curious fella who has been blessed to be able to obtain lots of different instruments. So I have upright basses in three different sizes, as well as mandobasses and bassoguitars, even a couple of those weird Musikits basses. And that is counting just the basses that have endpins. But while there may be some overlap in application, I purpose them differently. If it's a coffee-house gig I'm more likely to take the half-size upright because that is all I need to fill the room. An outdoor stage mandates the 3/4 bass, whereas if I can play seated I'll put a 1/4 on my knee and play it like a guitar. If I just want to upset people, I'll bring the suitcase bass.

But for many years, my only upright was a 3/4 size. As it should have been.
 
I play my 1/2 kay on my lap sometimes too. Compared to some of our other TB members, I'm a virtual newbie, lol. There is so much experience on this site, it's incredulous. Yes GW, we are a lot alike. I too have been blessed and have been able to "fill up my stable" with a plethora of different instruments that I use in different applications. The DB Luthier that I apprentice with here in CA, always jokes about how many instruments I have. I tell him "they are like kids, they all have a personality of their own."

tuBass, have you had a chance to start scouting around that region of texas, to see what's currently available? It's never too early to start shopping.;) Also, I would recommend making friends with other DB players in the area. Having a knowledgable friend or luthier to check out an instrument before you purchase, would be an invaluable resource to have.
 
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I am about 6 foot 2 and play a 1/4 double bass. Have added a very long spike to be able to play standing up, but mostly play seated. The 1/4 bass is loud enough for small accustic group (mandolines and guitares) and can be amplified if needed. Sound amplified is pretty good (1/4 size bass has scale length like super long electric bass). Much easier to transport then the 3/4 or 4/4 bass, and only a little worse then electric bass. I have a 3/4 size bass too, but it is mostly just standing around and accumulating dust. For everything I am doing, the 1/4 is usually good enough and caring the bigger bass around is nothing I enjoy. Maybe I did get a good one, but I very much like the sound of my small bass.
Thank you Ludwig
It sounds like you use it the way I want to.
I find my 3/4 to be too loud for coffee house acoustic sessions with guitar and mandolin(no amps) .the acoustic bass guitar is way way too quiet .
DB is my first instrument so I'm weak BG anyway.

The big question is what kind of bass is it and did it need a lot of set up.?
 
Thank you Ludwig
It sounds like you use it the way I want to.
I find my 3/4 to be too loud for coffee house acoustic sessions with guitar and mandolin(no amps) .the acoustic bass guitar is way way too quiet .
DB is my first instrument so I'm weak BG anyway.

The big question is what kind of bass is it and did it need a lot of set up.?

It was a new bass from the internet, about € 1000.- some years ago. Mostly I play the cello and the most money I spend was for strings to tune in 5ths (no set available for 1/4 basses, using 3/4 G string flexocore for A, 1/4 Prelude D and A tuned down to G, and a strong soloflex E tuned down to C, the worst string). I play with cello fingerings, with some more shifts instead of wide quarts. I had a 3/4 bass for a few years before, but always had trouble switching between 4ths tuning on bass and 5ths tuning on cello. The 3/4 in 5ths I had difficulties fingering, I stayed with 4ths tuning there after a few tries. My case may be special, since I am not a double bass player first, but prefer cello. Mostly I play DB in accoustic group (4 mandolines, 2 mandolas, 3 guitars and a little percussion) and have no problem with my 1/4 bass, no amplification, in that setting. An acoustic bass guitar was much to quiet (have tried that, too).
 
It was a new bass from the internet, about € 1000.- some years ago. Mostly I play the cello and the most money I spend was for strings to tune in 5ths (no set available for 1/4 basses, using 3/4 G string flexocore for A, 1/4 Prelude D and A tuned down to G, and a strong soloflex E tuned down to C, the worst string). I play with cello fingerings, with some more shifts instead of wide quarts. I had a 3/4 bass for a few years before, but always had trouble switching between 4ths tuning on bass and 5ths tuning on cello. The 3/4 in 5ths I had difficulties fingering, I stayed with 4ths tuning there after a few tries. My case may be special, since I am not a double bass player first, but prefer cello. Mostly I play DB in accoustic group (4 mandolines, 2 mandolas, 3 guitars and a little percussion) and have no problem with my 1/4 bass, no amplification, in that setting. An acoustic bass guitar was much to quiet (have tried that, too).
Wow ! Really great and interesting info Ludwig. I'd love to hear you play. Do you have anything on Youtube?

Funny thing I was thinking of renting a cello to see if it could pass as a bass . I guess you tried and it didn't work?
The 5th tuning is also fascinating . I'm sure you know Red Mitchell switched to 5th tuning at the end of his career ?
I've heard that 1/4 and 1/2 sizes (actually all basses) are not standardized .
I really appreciate you going to trouble to explain your string setup .
Could you let us know the length of your bass (maybe just the body?) and the brand?

thanks again
bob
 
upright sounds better on bluegrass

I'm not going to say "do a search" because that sets people off, but I will point out that this exact question gets posted on TB every 2 months and the discussion always goes that same way, which accounts for some of the off-topic snark. The initial answer is always "not a good idea", followed by "but why not?...couldn't I just...?" The answer is "of course you could, you can do whatever you want and no one will try to stop you." I get confused about looking here for consent, though. The experienced players to whom these questions get addressed clearly don't recommend it. Balance that with (usually bass-guitarists) who chime in and say that they think it will be fine. In the end you've got to make your own decision.

Here's what's maybe not being said and why I pulled your quote out. That sound that you want is difficult to produce. People work hard at it and the instrument plays a very significant role in that process as well. I suspect, that even with the effort I've put in on technique, I could get a better, more consistent sound from a deadened P-Bass than I could a student model 1/4 sized upright. People like it when someone shows up with an upright and I've had singer songwriters want me to play with them because they thought it would look cool in photos of the gig...but no, that's not why I play.

If it's about the music and the sound, my advice is to look for a 3/4 sized bass and spend a lot of time learning to produce the sound and music that is calling you with it. Or, work with some flatwounds on a PBass or ABG and adjust your BG technique until you can get a pretty close approximation. If it's about having a vertically oriented instrument, because it makes you happy or would make the people you play with happy, then it's a personal decision that I certainly won't criticize you for.
 
If you want the best possible accoustik bass sound down to low C, you need an 4/4 double bass or even bigger. Even the 3/4 "standard" double bass is a compromise between sound and playability. A 1/4 bass will sound pretty good down to G, a good 5ths tuning would be GDae (then usually called a bassetto). The 90cm string length of a 1/4 is about the longest I can play with cello fingerings, and even that is a stretch. That is the reason I did choose the 1/4 bass, with a body volume about double that of a cello. An acoustik bass guitar is much smaller then a cello in volume, not usable as a pure acoustik bass instrument. Same is true about trying smaller basses (1/8, 1/10, 1/16), that have just not enough volume to qualify. In my opinion, the 1/4 bass qualifies as an acoustik bass at least on the three highest bass strings without problem. I agree, that more volume is better with bass instruments, but the difference gets smaller with increasing size (that is the reason, people use the 3/4 with better playability instead of the 4/4 or bigger).
 
Something to mention, a good setup and proper technique will make your E-string speak very prominently. If anyone is concerned about a rather quiet E-string, left- and right-hand technique addresses a good portion of that, as does a really good setup. Selecting a bass that is bright enough to cut acoustically, but dark enough to have a big round low-end helps as well.

In terms of technique, I looked far and wide trying to get the best technique video I could find (we don't have instructors local to me), and there are some great videos out there, but the one that finally "clicked" for me was @Chris Fitzgerald's technique videos on YouTube. Really great stuff with regard to playing and developing good tone and volume. Can't say enough about those videos. Thanks again, Chris.
 
I have A 3/4 and A 1/4 and use each for diffrent gig types the scale change does not seem to bother me your left hand seems to know witch one you are playing I do use the 1/4 siting and the 3/4 standing and only the 3/4 with a drummer for slappy type stuff I find the other band members feel closer with the little bass as I can sit with them .
 
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Right on Sammy
I love sitting down with other string players. It's much more relaxing and easier to reach for my beer too.
My bass is a Link Removed and it has a beautiful sound but I have no dogma towards other basses.
I would still love to hear Ludwig's 1/4 tuned in 5ths.

btw Haters ....get a life. If you have nothing constructive to add then zip it.
 
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