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TC BH250 head cab and Kustom DE410 cabinet question

bassforthesoul

bassforthesoul

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Hi guys, I was wondering if I could pair my TC BH250 head amp with a Kustom DE410
-tc bh250 is 250watts
-kustom de410 is 400 watts
pros and cons?
anyone tried this out?
how does it sound?
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I'm using the TC BH250 with the smaller Kustom DE210H which is rated at 200 watts with an impedance of 8 ohms

works and sounds great for budget set up , I've not had to push it much past 12 o'clock to keep up with two guitarists at rehearsals

Not sure of the output of the BH250 head running at 8ohms
Guessing It's going to be around about 125-150 watts which is plenty loud enough for my needs and within the tolerances of the 2x10 cab

My concern would be pushing the head past it's capabilities with the 4x10
 
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Yes you could. What it would sound like? Don't have a clue.
I bought a Kustom guitar cab and was really impressed with it. Have not tried their bass cabs. I expect is sounds OK and does represent value, but not as good as higher prices cabs. I also suspect your amp will not bring it to full ooomph and that a 400-500 watt amp would be better. Can you take your amp somewhere to try it? I would be interested in what you find out.
 
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Motormog said:
My concern would be pushing the head past it's capabilities with the 4x10
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I don't see how that would be a valid concern. With regard to the cabinet(s), the aspect that could "push the head past its capabilities" is impedance, not the number or size of speakers. Keeping the impedance in the range that's safe for the operation of the amp effectively works as a governor. For this amp, that's 4 ohms or above. Going below the safe range for the amp creates the potential for it to "overwork" with negative consequences.

With an 8 ohm cabinet (whether 1x10, 1x12, 2x10, 2x12, 4x10, 4x12, 4x15, 4x18 etc.), as long as there's no complaint from either piece of gear heard (in the form of distortion or other negative sounds), you should be able to dime the master on the BH250 and have at it, to your heart's content.

The 400 watts referred to on the cabinet is a power handling (limit/capability) rating, not some sort or draw/suck or requirement or "matching" recommendation.

Without some kind of extreme EQing, it's likely that the BH250 would be able to be dimed into this cabinet and be fine.
 
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drpepper said:
Is there a 4 ohm Kustom DE410?
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An 8ohm 410 is fine, probably better, even. If the 8ohm 410 isn't loud enough for you, you have the option of adding a second 8ohm cabinet (which would total a 4ohm load together) that will give you a much bigger volume increase than trying to get the "full wattage" with a single 4ohm cab. More speakers give you more volume, not more watts. If you push the BH250 too hard at 4ohm it will cut out on you/go into protect mode on the lower notes. With more speakers you don't have to dig in/push as hard for the volume. BH250 through a 4x10 should be plenty of volume for a lot of my gigs.
 
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Motormog said:
... My concern would be pushing the head past it's capabilities with the 4x10
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drpepper said:
I don't see how that would be a valid concern. With regard to the cabinet(s), the aspect that could "push the head past its capabilities" is impedance, not the number or size of speakers. Keeping the impedance in the range that's safe for the operation of the amp effectively works as a governor. For this amp, that's 4 ohms or above. Going below the safe range for the amp creates the potential for it to "overwork" with negative consequences.

With an 8 ohm cabinet (whether 1x10, 1x12, 2x10, 2x12, 4x10, 4x12, 4x15, 4x18 etc.), as long as there's no complaint from either piece of gear heard (in the form of distortion or other negative sounds), you should be able to dime the master on the BH250 and have at it, to your heart's content.

The 400 watts referred to on the cabinet is a power handling (limit/capability) rating, not some sort or draw/suck or requirement or "matching" recommendation.

Without some kind of extreme EQing, it's likely that the BH250 would be able to be dimed into this cabinet and be fine.
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You're 100% right. No concern in the least.
 
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jumblemind said:
An 8ohm 410 is fine, probably better, even. If the 8ohm 410 isn't loud enough for you, you have the option of adding a second 8ohm cabinet (which would total a 4ohm load together) that will give you a much bigger volume increase than trying to get the "full wattage" with a single 4ohm cab. More speakers give you more volume, not more watts. If you push the BH250 too hard at 4ohm it will cut out on you/go into protect mode on the lower notes. With more speakers you don't have to dig in/push as hard for the volume. BH250 through a 4x10 should be plenty of volume for a lot of my gigs.
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Well, more RMS does provide more volume, but you need a lot of it to make a big difference. Doubling RMS gives a 3dB increase in volume, basically, the smallest amount the human ear can detect. To double volume, you need 10 times the RMS. So yes, the real keys are total driver surface area, Xmax, & sufficient RMS to push the drivers nicely. There's no replacement for displacement :thumbsup:.
 
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I have a BH250 through a Kustom DE410 and DE115. sounds great. i might pick up another 410 to replace the 115 to get more mids in my slap, but i gig with this setup all the time and usually run the volume at about 2 o'clock and I've had to turn it down in some smaller places. I got both cabs for $200 at a pawn shop, so for less than $500, I've had a great setup that hasn't let me down yet. Ive also ran this amp through an Ampeg "fridge" 8x10 and it was insane. Great head though, I get alot of compliments from other bass players and sound guys, too.
 

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