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TC Electronic RH450 Favorite Settings © Thread
- Thread starter drpepper
- Start date
Ill double check my amp....but its basically the bass flat (or tiny boost), low mid cut 2-3 clicks, hi mid flat or cut slightly to taste, few clicks up on treble. No compressor, tube tone on about 1/3 (so it sounds grindy but not massively distorted).
I cant rem if I changed my settings on the shift for the freq..ill check.
I cant rem if I changed my settings on the shift for the freq..ill check.
From Eublet in the review thread
Gear
Bass(es) - Lakland DJ5
Cabinet(s) - 1 RS210
Tone Description
Attempting to emulate Sadowsky preamp - "somewhat of a modern sound, but not overly pingy or scooped"
Performance Characteristics
Testing/Comparison
Settings
Center Frequencies
Bass -11 (80Hz)
Low-Mid -11 (110Hz)
High-Mid +3 (1130Hz)
Treble +1 (1800Hz)
Tone
Bass +4
Low-Mid +3
High-Mid -1
Treble +12
Spectracomp
0
TubeTone
0
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Gear
Bass(es) - Lakland DJ5
Cabinet(s) - 1 RS210
Tone Description
Attempting to emulate Sadowsky preamp - "somewhat of a modern sound, but not overly pingy or scooped"
Performance Characteristics
Testing/Comparison
Settings
Center Frequencies
Bass -11 (80Hz)
Low-Mid -11 (110Hz)
High-Mid +3 (1130Hz)
Treble +1 (1800Hz)
Tone
Bass +4
Low-Mid +3
High-Mid -1
Treble +12
Spectracomp
0
TubeTone
0
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Been working on a settings website, its coming along a bit slower than I originally hoped but its almost there.. (if you want a sneak peak of how the controls will look, I just need to frame them better, add the setup stuff like what bass and cabs, and finish the navigation: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] )
I've been trying just about everything to capture the sound of my old Trace Elliot GP7SM and I think I finally got close:
Bass: EBMM Stingray 4 HH (treble and bass both boosted to 1:30 (if 12 is center)
Cabs: RS210 + RS212 (horn control at 12 o'oclock on both)
(level/center)
Bass: +2/-4
Lo-Mid: +3/-12
Hi-Mid: +3/+3
High: +3/-5
If I try to just use the bass knob to cover what the lo-mid is doing, it doesn't capture that 'scooped thunder' of an old Trace..
I've been trying just about everything to capture the sound of my old Trace Elliot GP7SM and I think I finally got close:
Bass: EBMM Stingray 4 HH (treble and bass both boosted to 1:30 (if 12 is center)
Cabs: RS210 + RS212 (horn control at 12 o'oclock on both)
(level/center)
Bass: +2/-4
Lo-Mid: +3/-12
Hi-Mid: +3/+3
High: +3/-5
If I try to just use the bass knob to cover what the lo-mid is doing, it doesn't capture that 'scooped thunder' of an old Trace..
Your site has a great look, but I think you should include the number values. Counting the lights is harder than it seems like it should be.
I'm the first to admit that I don't have a great depth of understanding on this, but your bass and low mid centers make me wonder. What are the practical ramifications of having the low mid lower than the bass (at 100Hz v 180Hz for the bass)? Do they fight each other based on sequence of application? Do they cancel? Do they compound boost (where boost is applied to both)?
Because the bass is shelved, the low mid range is entirely within the bass range.
I'll make the number values either overlaid on the knob, or as a mouseover. (also will include a global switch for people to have it either visually or numerically as default) Thanks for the input
I have no idea how it works inside the RH450, but if I set the bass only to try and cover that area, it looses some of the overly pronouced bottom I remember on that Trace.
I tried just about every center point on bass with a boost set between 4 o'clock and all the way up and it always sounded weaker than a little boost spread between the low and low-mid. So my guess is that the low-mid doesn't follow the shelving of the bass control.
I'll make the number values either overlaid on the knob, or as a mouseover. (also will include a global switch for people to have it either visually or numerically as default) Thanks for the input
I have no idea how it works inside the RH450, but if I set the bass only to try and cover that area, it looses some of the overly pronouced bottom I remember on that Trace.
I tried just about every center point on bass with a boost set between 4 o'clock and all the way up and it always sounded weaker than a little boost spread between the low and low-mid. So my guess is that the low-mid doesn't follow the shelving of the bass control.
My gosh, I run mine almost flat... maybe a touch (2 lights or so) of bass boost at slightly below the default shelving start point to fatten a bit. The RH450 is so full of low mids that I have not even touched that low mid control.
What kind of cab do you have? Something a bit funky if you boost the bass that much. Are you trying for a dub sort of thing?
1-RS210 - 1-RS212, its in the orig post with the bass and settings on it.
It (the RH450's DI and RS cabs) actually sounds almost identical to some recordings I did with the DI out on my GP7SM.
And for the record, it seems if I move my bass center all the way to the left (with the level set at +12), it sounds like the bass drops out (in the DI) and it gets deeper when I go to the right.. Exactly backwards to what I expect.. But that might just be a sonic illusion in my head..
I'll have to record something... give me a while..
Quick question... I'm sure it has been discussed, but I can't find it!
If I change my centre frequencies, does it change it for a single preset or all 3? Anotherwords, can I change the centre frequences for preset 1, but have factory settings for 2 and 3?
If I change my centre frequencies, does it change it for a single preset or all 3? Anotherwords, can I change the centre frequences for preset 1, but have factory settings for 2 and 3?
Changing settings doesn't modify ANY of the presets until you store it. Storing the settings only effects that one preset.
I got my TC stack for two weeks now - played only two gigs so far (one loud,and one club - impressed!!!) so I am fairly new to my TC 450 (classic) and RS212 cab, but it's pretty simple deal,guess it won't take me long to achieve a my "ideal" setting - even there's always a slight changes on when you considering what is to be your ideal setting...
to answer your Q: what I am doing with my P bass (La Bella flats) on the TC head is this:
compression 11'oclock
bass 3
low mid 12
hi mid 10
high 12
tube 12
I agree that TC head sounds great with jazz basses,( I am playing my jazz bass with roundwounds aswell and I am thrilled about the sound!!!) and modern (active) basses but you can also find the spot for your Motown/Precision/Flats happiness!!!!
This is the beauty of this head. The presets store EVERYTHING except the master volume setting, and as Eublet posted, the presets will only change if you hold one in and store your recent tweaking.
So, you can have separate EQ (boost/cut and frequency points), compression, tubetone, input gain, post EQ volume (for level setting across the presets) for EACH preset... wonderful!.
It's great on the gig also. For example, if you find that your favorite basic preset has just a touch too much bass for a given room you are playing, just reduce the bass a bit and then store that modification for that gig. It takes about a second.
Three months has gone and I´m still tweaking my RH 450 together with my Berg AE 410. Right now I have these settings:
Memory one for DC coil bridge pup in humbucking mode on my Fodera Emperor 70´s spacing and a Sandberg Umbo 60´s spacing, single coil, both 5-stringers and the passive treble backed of ca 70% on both basses
Mem1
Bass -4/+4
Low mid -4/0
High mid -4/0
Treble +12/+3
Spectracomp 6, tube 4 dots
Mem2 Both pups Fodera in single coil mode, Sandberg has single coil pups, passive treble full on with both pups
Bass -9/+10
Low mid 0/0
High mid 0/0
Treble +12/+10
Spectracomp 13, tube 0 dots
My Wal Mark II sounds crap on these settings, Still have to tweak some more. To me the RH 450 sounds optimated for passive jazzes and to some extent active. Next week I have a Staccato coming, looking forward to compare.
Memory one for DC coil bridge pup in humbucking mode on my Fodera Emperor 70´s spacing and a Sandberg Umbo 60´s spacing, single coil, both 5-stringers and the passive treble backed of ca 70% on both basses
Mem1
Bass -4/+4
Low mid -4/0
High mid -4/0
Treble +12/+3
Spectracomp 6, tube 4 dots
Mem2 Both pups Fodera in single coil mode, Sandberg has single coil pups, passive treble full on with both pups
Bass -9/+10
Low mid 0/0
High mid 0/0
Treble +12/+10
Spectracomp 13, tube 0 dots
My Wal Mark II sounds crap on these settings, Still have to tweak some more. To me the RH 450 sounds optimated for passive jazzes and to some extent active. Next week I have a Staccato coming, looking forward to compare.
I've only had my RH450 a couple of days and still getting to grips with it. My first impressions with everything set flat was that it was too 'mid-heavy' with my Berg AE112's but I think a lot of that is just that I've been living with an Epifani 502 for some time and my ears are really tuned to how it sounds.
Speaking of which - I don't suppose anyone has tried to replicate an Epifani sound with an RH450?
I tend to use 2 basic settings on my Epi, channel 1 is almost completely flat (dependent on room) and setting 2 is the lower channel with the mids cut to about 9:00 (frequency right in the middle).
I'd love to be able to get that second setting on the Rh450 as well. I tried setting the mids to a similar frequency and cutting them but the twin mids and the general power in the mids meant this didn't really work.
Looking forward to getting 3 really good tones for live work
Speaking of which - I don't suppose anyone has tried to replicate an Epifani sound with an RH450?
I tend to use 2 basic settings on my Epi, channel 1 is almost completely flat (dependent on room) and setting 2 is the lower channel with the mids cut to about 9:00 (frequency right in the middle).
I'd love to be able to get that second setting on the Rh450 as well. I tried setting the mids to a similar frequency and cutting them but the twin mids and the general power in the mids meant this didn't really work.
Looking forward to getting 3 really good tones for live work
I've only had my RH450 a couple of days and still getting to grips with it. My first impressions with everything set flat was that it was too 'mid-heavy' with my Berg AE112's but I think a lot of that is just that I've been living with an Epifani 502 for some time and my ears are really tuned to how it sounds.
Speaking of which - I don't suppose anyone has tried to replicate an Epifani sound with an RH450?
I tend to use 2 basic settings on my Epi, channel 1 is almost completely flat (dependent on room) and setting 2 is the lower channel with the mids cut to about 9:00 (frequency right in the middle).
I'd love to be able to get that second setting on the Rh450 as well. I tried setting the mids to a similar frequency and cutting them but the twin mids and the general power in the mids meant this didn't really work.
Looking forward to getting 3 really good tones for live work
The Epi502 is very different from the mid voicing of the RH450. It might sound a little mid heavy to you at home, but you will like it on the gig a lot more than the Epi (IMO).
You might want to raise the treble shelving start point a touch and boost to add a touch more sparkle (3 o'clock and 3 o'clock on the freq and boost), and also lower the bass shelving start point and boost (9 o'clock and 1 o'clock freq and boost). This will open that head up a touch more, but still keep it punchy and tight so you sit in the mix versus mushing under it!
Thanks Ken,
I do tend to forget about how important those mids are when playing live.
In fact I gigged with a Shuttle 3.0 10T last night because space was so restricted. Got it up about chest height and had it firing right at my rib cage. Bass boost on and some mid boost and it sounded fine
Really made me think about getting some of the TC cabs as I loved having the cab up so high & the vertical stacking TC's would allow me to do this as well.
Just to add my bit to this thread... so far, I've left it pretty much flat.
Default EQ points, slight nudge on the Lo knob, and a couple of clicks down on the hi-mid.
It sounds lovely.
Default EQ points, slight nudge on the Lo knob, and a couple of clicks down on the hi-mid.
It sounds lovely.
I was thinking adding a preamp to my classic 450 - it's a handmade preamp with five 12AX7s inside. I am used to tubes, although TC classic delivers great sound I still miss the good old oily fat sound ( I play P bass mostly with flats...)
hope that will work well.....
hope that will work well.....
