Enjoy the benefits of a premium membership!
Upgrade Account
-
TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
Join free Log in
Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.
TC Electronic RH450 Favorite Settings © Thread
- Thread starter drpepper
- Start date
hey guys, question. i've been a 4 string player for a long time. but i've recent started playing 5 strings a lot more often.
Currently, my main two basses are a 4 string german Warwick corvette, passive MEC jazz's. and a newly acquired active 5 string version of the same bass.
been running my RH fairly flat after a year of music school, just the high mid's boosted about 4 clicks. with some compression and tubetone. both set about 930
but the low B on my new five string (and others i've played) seems to get a little muddy.. any suggestions on how to set the EQ to help clean that low B up? ( i like it dirty,((hahahaha)) but only when i decide to make it that way, you know?)
appreciate the help fella's!!
Currently, my main two basses are a 4 string german Warwick corvette, passive MEC jazz's. and a newly acquired active 5 string version of the same bass.
been running my RH fairly flat after a year of music school, just the high mid's boosted about 4 clicks. with some compression and tubetone. both set about 930
but the low B on my new five string (and others i've played) seems to get a little muddy.. any suggestions on how to set the EQ to help clean that low B up? ( i like it dirty,((hahahaha)) but only when i decide to make it that way, you know?)
appreciate the help fella's!!
Rick Auricchio
Registered Bass Offender
various different cabs. i have an RS212 that i use at home. at school i'm using fender 410's or an ampeg 810. and then around town it's whatever i get stuck using from the nearly mandatory backline.
Rick Auricchio
Registered Bass Offender
The RS212 should be fine for a 5-string. Have you tried the bass with a different amplifier and cabinet, just to rule out the bass as the cause?
yah.. i've played it on most of the amps at school.. the bass is fine. and it's not really that bad. i just wanted to pick the brains of all you folks.
So I just got a Rh 450 and RS 212. I play in a jazz band at my university and Im working on playing upright. Not sure what kind of upright it is, just know its got old strings on it. (E string has a nick in it) I was wondering how you eq the upright to actually make it sound like an upright. Almost positive the pickup is a fishman bp-100. Thanks in advance.
There's no simple answer to this. With my EUB (Spirocore Weich strings), I drop the shelving point of the bass EQ then boost it a little, cut the mids just a little (the lower ones to reduce the "burpy mwahness" and the higher mids to reduce the string noise) and leave the treble fairly much alone or cut it slightly. I should mention that I use the pretty mid-voiced cabinet noted in my sig. I also add just a few clicks of compression, and generally leave the Tubetone off (except for just a few of our songs). This gives me a fairly dark, "woody" tone. Some upright players don't like the RH450 for this reason -- they feel their bass has all the "character" they need, and want a less coloured amp. My feeling is, if you have a relatively young ply bass with a fairly bright tone, you might use similar settings to mine, maybe adding back some of the upper mids for "dead" strings.
Short, but far more complicated answer is -- you're really going to have to sit and play with the EQ, one band at a time.
I wish there were 'tone prints' we could download. Kinda like Steve Stevens tone prints for some TCE delay pedal...
__________________
__________________
Rick Auricchio
Registered Bass Offender
But EQ settings tend to sound wildly different depending on:
- The room you're in
- The settings on your bass
- Your cabinet
- The band mix
No two situations are alike, so it's almost impossible to use someone else's EQ settings.
- The room you're in
- The settings on your bass
- Your cabinet
- The band mix
No two situations are alike, so it's almost impossible to use someone else's EQ settings.
I've had this amp for a month or two, and starting to get the hang of it. I had been pretty much a plug and play guy with my previous amps, but this amp encourages you to tweak.
I play a (fretted) Pedulla Rapture J2 5-string (jazz bass, basically) and a (fretless) Pedulla Pentabuzz. Onboard preamps set flat (except pentabuzz has mid-boost engaged), 70-30 weight on the bridge pickup. The cabinet in these clips is a single Bergantino HT112ER, and I'm recording my band (bass, drums, violin, guitar, keyboard) with a Zoom H2. No pedals were used in anything you hear here. The master volume is at like 10 or 11 o'clock (and again, through a single 12") and it's actually kind of too loud.
Preset 1 is basic rock, slightly aggressive.
Preset 2 is clean with a mwah boost
Preset 3 is noticeable overdrive
I edited this clip to show you 2 mid-song transitions (fretless 3 to 2 and fretted 1 to 3), and then staying on 3 but laying back vs. digging in.
Setting 1:
gain 15 dots / spectracomp 10 dots
bass -4@88Hz
lomid +4@317Hz
himid +3 @1425Hz
treble -2@2000Hz
tubetone 3 dots / preset 20 dots
Setting 2:
gain 10 dots (pentabuzz is very hot, I need to open it up and dial back the trimpot to even it with the Rapture) /spectracomp 8 dots
bass +1@280Hz
lomid -2@400Hz
himid +4@800Hz
treble 0@2000Hz
tubetone 1 dot (off) / preset 12 dots
Setting 3:
gain 17 dots / spectracomp 10 dots
bass +4@70Hz
lomid -2@565Hz
himid +5@400Hz
treble +5@2850Hz
tubetone 15 dots / preset 16 dots
Some of these don't seem to make sense looking at them, but that's where I ended up just twiddling knobs one at a time.
If anyone has some feedback, I'd love to hear it.
I play a (fretted) Pedulla Rapture J2 5-string (jazz bass, basically) and a (fretless) Pedulla Pentabuzz. Onboard preamps set flat (except pentabuzz has mid-boost engaged), 70-30 weight on the bridge pickup. The cabinet in these clips is a single Bergantino HT112ER, and I'm recording my band (bass, drums, violin, guitar, keyboard) with a Zoom H2. No pedals were used in anything you hear here. The master volume is at like 10 or 11 o'clock (and again, through a single 12") and it's actually kind of too loud.
Preset 1 is basic rock, slightly aggressive.
Preset 2 is clean with a mwah boost
Preset 3 is noticeable overdrive
I edited this clip to show you 2 mid-song transitions (fretless 3 to 2 and fretted 1 to 3), and then staying on 3 but laying back vs. digging in.
Setting 1:
gain 15 dots / spectracomp 10 dots
bass -4@88Hz
lomid +4@317Hz
himid +3 @1425Hz
treble -2@2000Hz
tubetone 3 dots / preset 20 dots
Setting 2:
gain 10 dots (pentabuzz is very hot, I need to open it up and dial back the trimpot to even it with the Rapture) /spectracomp 8 dots
bass +1@280Hz
lomid -2@400Hz
himid +4@800Hz
treble 0@2000Hz
tubetone 1 dot (off) / preset 12 dots
Setting 3:
gain 17 dots / spectracomp 10 dots
bass +4@70Hz
lomid -2@565Hz
himid +5@400Hz
treble +5@2850Hz
tubetone 15 dots / preset 16 dots
Some of these don't seem to make sense looking at them, but that's where I ended up just twiddling knobs one at a time.
If anyone has some feedback, I'd love to hear it.
Last edited by a moderator:
Hi Guys
Love this thread...
Does anyone have any good settings for a Fender Jazz and a Musicman Stingray 3EQ, both 4 strings... I can't seem to find a sound I am completely happy with, I have a Warwick Streamer Stage I that I have got sweet but the other 2 elude me. I am using a 1x15 and 4x10 Mesa Cabs.
Many thanks for akll you technical wizards, I am finding the whole TC centre freq shifts etc a bit confusing
Cheers
Paul
Love this thread...
Does anyone have any good settings for a Fender Jazz and a Musicman Stingray 3EQ, both 4 strings... I can't seem to find a sound I am completely happy with, I have a Warwick Streamer Stage I that I have got sweet but the other 2 elude me. I am using a 1x15 and 4x10 Mesa Cabs.
Many thanks for akll you technical wizards, I am finding the whole TC centre freq shifts etc a bit confusing
Cheers
Paul
funkyflea69 said:Hi Guys
Love this thread...
Does anyone have any good settings for a Fender Jazz and a Musicman Stingray 3EQ, both 4 strings... I can't seem to find a sound I am completely happy with, I have a Warwick Streamer Stage I that I have got sweet but the other 2 elude me. I am using a 1x15 and 4x10 Mesa Cabs.
Many thanks for akll you technical wizards, I am finding the whole TC centre freq shifts etc a bit confusing
Cheers
Paul
It will be time well spent if you put it towards playing with the EQ in a systematic fashion; for example, start with all bands at their centre frequency, and neither cut nor boosted. Play a couple of 2+ octave scales. Then play the same scales with each band fully boosted, then fully cut, each time sweeping the frequency control a couple notches while you play the same scales over. You'll get a good feel for the range and effect of each band, and how they interact; for extra credit, you can do the same thing with pairs of bands in all permutations.
There are so many variables involved in addition to your bass, that specific advice is probably next to useless.
+1 to the above. Starting at default "zeroed" will give you the RH baked-in sound, but that is ooptimized for the TC cabinets. I would then go back through the forum threads and find the settings for a "flat" EQ and start there with your own cabinet combination. You'll likely be happy somewhere in between those two. Give yourself a good block of time because it will go fast if you get into it! Enjoy.
Mark
Mark
Agreed. Every new sound man I work with come up to me and say how much they love the amp.
I finally have the opportunity to post on one of my favorite threads on TB
Long story short, just been playing for a few years but I've found myself in a few different band situations and I've struggled with every single one to fit into the mix. My tone sounded good on its own, mud with the band. I was usually buried more or less completely and it was driving me crazy. That was with various setups, I'm now into an RH450 with 2 RS210s...best setup I've had, there's no GAS whatsoever for a new amp, and for me that's sayin somethin
So I'm gonna contribute an EQ setting that i came up with after doing a bunch of research on bass EQing. This is based on stuff I've read about how audio and recording engineers like to EQ the bass frequencies. Rationale for each setting is provided, along with freq/cut or boost so you can dial it in on your head if ya want to give it a shot.
Bass:
50hz-80hz are ultralows -- cut or may fight with bass drum
-11/-4
Low Mid:
160hz-350hz is muddiness -- cut for clarity
-5/-3
High Mid:
600hz-1000hz will really cut through -- boost
+2/+4
Treble:
2000hz-2500hz will add presence, but use sparingly -- boost
+3/+3
I wanted to cut through a little more and...damn. This worked very well. In fact, it was a little too cutting and I think I'll cut the treble a bit to warm things up a hair. However, as far as the basic idea, I'm pretty thrilled with it.
YMMV of course, we were playing in "the kitchen" at the austin music rooms. Tile floor, 20x30 room. Let me know if ya have any thoughts on, or any luck with these settings.
*edit*: forgot, spectracomp and tubetone about 3 dots each. Bass is a passive 88 peavey foundation. Music: 90s rock covers, Green Day, STP, Foo Fighters etc
BTW...huge thanks to Rick Auricchio for mapping the RH450 frequencies. That was invaluable.
Long story short, just been playing for a few years but I've found myself in a few different band situations and I've struggled with every single one to fit into the mix. My tone sounded good on its own, mud with the band. I was usually buried more or less completely and it was driving me crazy. That was with various setups, I'm now into an RH450 with 2 RS210s...best setup I've had, there's no GAS whatsoever for a new amp, and for me that's sayin somethin
So I'm gonna contribute an EQ setting that i came up with after doing a bunch of research on bass EQing. This is based on stuff I've read about how audio and recording engineers like to EQ the bass frequencies. Rationale for each setting is provided, along with freq/cut or boost so you can dial it in on your head if ya want to give it a shot.
Bass:
50hz-80hz are ultralows -- cut or may fight with bass drum
-11/-4
Low Mid:
160hz-350hz is muddiness -- cut for clarity
-5/-3
High Mid:
600hz-1000hz will really cut through -- boost
+2/+4
Treble:
2000hz-2500hz will add presence, but use sparingly -- boost
+3/+3
I wanted to cut through a little more and...damn. This worked very well. In fact, it was a little too cutting and I think I'll cut the treble a bit to warm things up a hair. However, as far as the basic idea, I'm pretty thrilled with it.
YMMV of course, we were playing in "the kitchen" at the austin music rooms. Tile floor, 20x30 room. Let me know if ya have any thoughts on, or any luck with these settings.
*edit*: forgot, spectracomp and tubetone about 3 dots each. Bass is a passive 88 peavey foundation. Music: 90s rock covers, Green Day, STP, Foo Fighters etc
BTW...huge thanks to Rick Auricchio for mapping the RH450 frequencies. That was invaluable.
