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TC Electronics RH Vs. TecAmp Puma

I feel that there are a lot of designs that guys want with parameters that they want that are unrealistic, many based upon questionable understanding on why and how things work. I think that to really work with some of the complex speaker situations that those requests entail, the R&D to provide the requested cabinet that functions to expectation would end up costing well more in time and effort than most people could afford or want to spend.

In some instances (maybe more than just some) you may very well be correct regarding unrealistic expectations on the customer's part. It would then be up to the specific builder to explain what could & couldn't be achieved, at least without the considerable additional R&D that you mention & the associated expense. IMHO, LDS would handle those conversations very well & in almost all cases would be able to, at the very least, come pretty darned close to what the buyer wanted employing established R&D. And if Don thought the buyer's expectations remained unrealistic, I think he'd very politely turn down the business. And possibly he'd even refer the buyer to a competitor he felt might better address his needs. He wouldn't want to ship any product that he felt would disappoint.

But probably in most instances (possibly the overwhelming majority), the customer doesn't have super intricate/detailed specs that he wants. Many times he just wants great tone along one generally established line or another. But they want it with superior drivers/components & their associated performance, lighter weight, smaller footprint/form factor, & superior construction/fit/finish. Maybe he'd also like many cosmetic options not available commercially. All this (with maybe the exception of the cosmetics options) is exactly the high end makers' stock in trade, LDS included.
 
This subject took a pretty sharp turn towards awesomeness. I totally get what you guys are saying about low level commercialism. Tecamp, TC , epifani, plus others all claim that they have the best gear around. Though you spend less for the products you don't get as quality of a rig as you would if you bought a custom cab. It's like going to Walmart to buy a steak, which will be good, but may not he the quality of local farmer selling the same steak but is organic. Some might not even be able to tell the difference, where others see it as night and day.

Agreed on all this. And the bottom line is if the specific buyer thinks the difference is there.
 
so wait; the OP buys TWo amps having played Zero amps and wonders if he made the right choice ?

LOL !

absolutely.....

I have played and owned, tons of equipment. I have never played through either of these two amps before. Since I live in a small town were we don't have a Guitar Center or some all bass store. I heard great things about both amp and gave them a try. So, I don't really get your comment.

I actually didn't BUY both amps together. I bought the Puma 1000 thinking that it would solve the problem I was having with my Epifani UL-502, which was super dark and not warm at all. I figured that the amp would be a good mix between what I had in the past and my tone goals. It reached the clarity, but just didn't reach the warmth. I liked the nice clean mids and trebles, but it was a little too clicky for my taste. Even with the tweeter all the way down it just seemed to cut through the mix without having a warm rounded tone. It was nice upgrade from the Epi head.

I TRADED the Puma 1000 for the RH750 and got $600 as well. I haven't had the chance to plug it in and mess with it yet, but it looks amazing. Let's hope it reaches my high expectations for tone.
 
I just bought the 450 and a 2X10 cab. The thing is a tone monster, very versatile. I would go with a couple of cabs, maybe a 2X12 and a 2X10 or a pair of either. You'll get a lot of juice and tone galore (everything from deep lows to Jaco mid-range tones)

I've been in tone heaven since I brought it home.
 
I have played and owned, tons of equipment. I have never played through either of these two amps before. Since I live in a small town were we don't have a Guitar Center or some all bass store. I heard great things about both amp and gave them a try. So, I don't really get your comment.

I actually didn't BUY both amps together. I bought the Puma 1000 thinking that it would solve the problem I was having with my Epifani UL-502, which was super dark and not warm at all. I figured that the amp would be a good mix between what I had in the past and my tone goals. It reached the clarity, but just didn't reach the warmth. I liked the nice clean mids and trebles, but it was a little too clicky for my taste. Even with the tweeter all the way down it just seemed to cut through the mix without having a warm rounded tone. It was nice upgrade from the Epi head.

I TRADED the Puma 1000 for the RH750 and got $600 as well. I haven't had the chance to plug it in and mess with it yet, but it looks amazing. Let's hope it reaches my high expectations for tone.

So there you go, you READ great things about the Puma, but when you TRIED it it wasn't the one for you. The only way for you to know whether you made the right choice is to play the new amp. If you like it you like it, no matter what other people has to say about it.
 
So there you go, you READ great things about the Puma, but when you TRIED it it wasn't the one for you. The only way for you to know whether you made the right choice is to play the new amp. If you like it you like it, no matter what other people has to say about it.

Actually, if you look back in this thread and I believe the other thread the OP put up, the discriptions of the Puma1000 tone were almost exactly what the OP experienced. He just, IMO, ignored the reviews. Also, many recommended the Puma900 over the 1000 (which is a 'specialty amp' primarily for those running two 4ohm cabs). He also ignored those recommendations.

So, I guess, there you go.
 
Actually, if you look back in this thread and I believe the other thread the OP put up, the discriptions of the Puma1000 tone were almost exactly what the OP experienced. He just, IMO, ignored the reviews. Also, many recommended the Puma900 over the 1000 (which is a 'specialty amp' primarily for those running two 4ohm cabs). He also ignored those recommendations.

So, I guess, there you go.

I think the OP said he didn't like the puma because it was too "clicky" or "clacky" or whatever. I've read through the TecAmp threads and don't remember that anyone has said that the puma amps are clicky, quite the opposite ("smooth", "warm" etc.)

All I'm saying is that I don't think the OP should listen to anything other than his own ears to know whether he likes an amp or not. :)
 
I think the OP said he didn't like the puma because it was too "clicky" or "clacky" or whatever. I've read through the TecAmp threads and don't remember that anyone has said that the puma amps are clicky, quite the opposite ("smooth", "warm" etc.)

All I'm saying is that I don't think the OP should listen to anything other than his own ears to know whether he likes an amp or not. :)

Nope. One of the signature tones of the Puma head is a very extended upper treble response, and a very present upper mid response. To some (either those who like a super warm old school tone, or especially to beginning players who have poor left and right hand control), this 'brightness and sparkle' up top can sound 'clicky and clacky', in that it uncovers ANY issue with technique).

Of course, this can easily be taken care of by a slight cut of the upper mid control, or a slight adjustment of the 'taste' overall tone filter, but again, that takes some skill in knowing what EQ does, and what frequencies impact those tonal areas.

The Puma heads are quite unforgiving, and very widely voiced with the EQ/filter set 'neutral' right out of the box.

The RH450/750 are COMPLETELY forgiving, given their very compressed voicing, polite top end, and a dip in the upper mids plus a pretty good dose of midrange distortion baked into those heads. I've often described those heads as voiced to emulate an entire vintage rig.... they make you feel like you are playing through a sealed, one-way multi 10 cab, regardless of the cab you are playing out of. Kind of cool, if that is your thing. Yes, based on player feedback (I was lucky enough to be a part of the player team that provided input to the RH750 spec), the RH750 allows you to over-ride the baked in lo pass filtering of the RH450 to allow for a bit more sparkle up top, but the inherent RH voicing is still pretty similar between both of these amps.

Again, the Puma versus RH750 represent two VERY different tonal spectrums/goals, and sound very, very different, and neither one can be EQ'd to sound like the other.

However, 'clicky/clacky' (assuming it is not purely a technique problem) can be pretty easily fixed on any amp, and the Puma upper mid control (centered in that 800hz to 2K 'clack area') and the 'taste' filter (which can roll off top end) can pretty much take care of any top end brightness/sizzle that a player might not dig.

To me, for those who want a bit of 'classic' tone (i.e., a tube emulation sort of vibe that includes a bit of roughness and 'pleasant distortion' in the midrange), the two 'best' options are the RH750 and the Aguilar TH500. The Aguilar is less compressed (i.e., much bigger and more open down low), but both have that sort of 'rock' voicing (for lack of a better term) that provides a lot of punch, a warm midrange, and a bit of roughness/warmth up top versus the more 'hi fi' (as that term is used on this site) voicing of the Puma heads (wide, clean, extended up top, crystal clear).

IMO and IME!
 
Nope. One of the signature tones of the Puma head is a very extended upper treble response, and a very present upper mid response. To some (either those who like a super warm old school tone, or especially to beginning players who have poor left and right hand control), this 'brightness and sparkle' up top can sound 'clicky and clacky', in that it uncovers ANY issue with technique).

Of course, this can easily be taken care of by a slight cut of the upper mid control, or a slight adjustment of the 'taste' overall tone filter, but again, that takes some skill in knowing what EQ does, and what frequencies impact those tonal areas.

The Puma heads are quite unforgiving, and very widely voiced with the EQ/filter set 'neutral' right out of the box.

The RH450/750 are COMPLETELY forgiving, given their very compressed voicing, polite top end, and a dip in the upper mids plus a pretty good dose of midrange distortion baked into those heads.

Exactly why I really didn't like the RH450 and love the Puma 500/900. One man's "unforgiving" is another man's "dynamic" and that is a feature of the Tecamp gear (both heads and cabs) that I really dig. They really respond to left and right hand technique - in fact I use my compressor a lot less now as I enjoy working the amp. But it ain't for everyone. I also agree that the TH500 is an ideal middle ground. Main reason I switched from that to the Puma was the ability to get rid of the mid "hair" in the TH500 that you really can't dial out without killing the vibe of the amp.