Testing the BNA Audio Sealed Neo 1822 Prototype - Insanely long-winded

[dukeorock]

I have to say, for a sealed cab, that has some nice lows to it. I would have to hear it in person of course, but sounds like a winner

Thanks! After so many years of playing Greenboy cabs, I got pretty spoiled by solid low end. Really great designs!

Though I probably didn't articulate it very well, that's what I meant when I said we went for an 'over designed' 18. We needed huge lows and SPL so that when both get scaled back a bit by the sealed enclosure, the net result was still good. It does have better low end than one might expect from a sealed cab while retaining the benefits of sealed designs, I think

 

[boamedt]

Thanks! After so many years of playing Greenboy cabs, I got pretty spoiled by solid low end. Really great designs!

Though I probably didn't articulate it very well, that's what I meant when I said we went for an 'over designed' 18. We needed huge lows and SPL so that when both get scaled back a bit by the sealed enclosure, the net result was still good. It does have better low end than one might expect from a sealed cab while retaining the benefits of sealed designs, I think

Things you just dont see in a sealed cab!
Congrats on pushing a sealed cab to the next level!

 

[dukeorock]

Things you just dont see in a sealed cab!
Congrats on pushing a sealed cab to the next level!

Thanks! I hope that's what we're doing

 

[svtb15]

Are there more photos or info on this new cab? I still have never played a Greenboy... I was always somewhat apprehensive that it may be too pokey in the upper mids??? I really dont know.. I have been lurking for way too long though/
Maybe because my gut is pushing me to a sealed design.. ??
I am familiar with my Genz uber 115 and Uber 410.. as well as svt 810, and bag end 115 deep.... GS112s and Db112s.
I always liked the bottom of the GS112s but disliked how dark it was in the mids and the Db 112s did not fix that for me.

This new sealed 18. Is it like any of the other cabs that i mentioned? Thank you

Thanks! After so many years of playing Greenboy cabs, I got pretty spoiled by solid low end. Really great designs!

Though I probably didn't articulate it very well, that's what I meant when I said we went for an 'over designed' 18. We needed huge lows and SPL so that when both get scaled back a bit by the sealed enclosure, the net result was still good. It does have better low end than one might expect from a sealed cab while retaining the benefits of sealed designs, I think

 

[dukeorock]

Are there more photos or info on this new cab? I still have never played a Greenboy... I was always somewhat apprehensive that it may be too pokey in the upper mids??? I really dont know.. I have been lurking for way too long though/
Maybe because my gut is pushing me to a sealed design.. ??
I am familiar with my Genz uber 115 and Uber 410.. as well as svt 810, and bag end 115 deep.... GS112s and Db112s.
I always liked the bottom of the GS112s but disliked how dark it was in the mids and the Db 112s did not fix that for me.

This new sealed 18. Is it like any of the other cabs that i mentioned? Thank you

Probably closest to the Uber410, which I've owned in the past. In the sense that it is very punchy and takes a good amount of power, at least. It'll ultimately sound clearer and more detailed. Whether or not you'd prefer it is another thing. 'Better' is in the ear of the beholder

 

[svtb15]

Do you think it can get the Low end of teh Uber 410?
The reason that i am looking at a cab such as yours is I have never been happy with 410 cabs. They Beam too much and comb filter way too much.. Its something that i noticed decades ago but didn't know what i was experiencing until 10 years ago and i joined TB.. That's when i knew my ears weren't lying to me.
I like the Single driver 118 idea with the mid drivers...
Is there anymore info on these new cabs?

Probably closest to the Uber410, which I've owned in the past. In the sense that it is very punchy and takes a good amount of power, at least. It'll ultimately sound clearer and more detailed. Whether or not you'd prefer it is another thing. 'Better' is in the ear of the beholder

 

[dukeorock]

Do you think it can get the Low end of teh Uber 410?
The reason that i am looking at a cab such as yours is I have never been happy with 410 cabs. They Beam too much and comb filter way too much.. Its something that i noticed decades ago but didn't know what i was experiencing until 10 years ago and i joined TB.. That's when i knew my ears weren't lying to me.
I like the Single driver 118 idea with the mid drivers...
Is there anymore info on these new cabs?

I don't have the Uber 410 anymore, but I think it's safe to say the low end is comparable. My favorite thing about the 1822 (for me) is how plug and play it is. I just don't find myself fussing with EQ as much as I used to. The overhang that comes with so many ported cabs is another thing I don't miss. As most folks already know, the low end rolls off much faster on a good sealed design. It comes out strong, but doesn't have the overhang of some of my other cabs. It's effected my playing for the better in many situations. We're measuring -3db at about 62-63hz. Real easy to get back if you feel you're missing anything down there. @Zoomie says his low B is thick and full, which makes me happy. I'm strictly a 4 string kinda fella, so I need friends like him to give an honest account

 

[Zoomie]

Sorry guys. Just catching up. I'll work backwards here.

The cab is plug and play. So much so in fact that I don't even re-eq between the Super J5 and the P, other than maybe adding or taking away a little edge via the tone control on the basses, depending on material. And no, this doesn't imply that the tonal characteristics of the cab are colored in any way. It's the same way running the mighty 6SL7. In both cases with amplification, I'm getting what I expect to out of each.

Low B is an absolute monster on the 1822. It's big, fat, and clear, without being overbearing in any way.

I'm still kind of shocked how punchy/thumpy it is for its size. Frankly I'm kind of surprised it sounds as big as it does. I'm a firm believer that science dictates you can only do so much based on the size of the box. And I'm not implying that this cab is the solution to world peace. That said, I can't find a single idiosyncrasy or bad habit. Mark and Jonathan clearly did something right.

I did notice something last night that was weird in the best possible sense. I was asked to jump in at a given spot with some swells. I was experimenting with attack, versus using the volume pedal or BV. We ran through it, and the WL asked for more, volume wise.
I got this pillowy thing going by dragging finger across string with a soft pluck/release. It sounded amazing to me. When we
Got done, the WL said, " how are you even doing swells without touching your pedal board or volume?" I told him I was doing it with my hands.

The point of my deranged comment above is that in spite of being punchy, sensitivity is incredible for an 18. Yes, the crazy guy actually thinks the cab adds value to his playing.

I'm going to try and see if I can get the same thing out of my DuallyT. To me, that is the cab by which all others are measured.

 

[svtb15]

Would it be fair to say the 1822 has more low end than lets say a Hartke 410?
Im not being facetious..
I used them on backline and they work well.. Just trying to get a handle on the sonic properties and overall VOL output the 1822 might be able to acheive.

@dukeorock also.. Your website seems to be down. Im trying to locate more indo on this and more Thank you

 

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[dukeorock]

Would it be fair to say the 1922 has more low end than lets say a Hartke 410?
Im not being facetious..
I used them on backline and they work well.. Just trying to get a handle on the sonic properties and overall VOL output the 1822 might be able to acheive.

@dukeorock also.. Your website seems to be down. Im trying to locate more indo on this and more Thank you

Since I've been primarily been building Greenboy cabs, I let the BNA website go down for awhile. We still have a Facebook page, but tve 1822 is so new we haven't posted much yet. I really should because I'm very proud of this new cab!

 

[Zoomie]

Would it be fair to say the 1922 has more low end than lets say a Hartke 410?
Im not being facetious..
I used them on backline and they work well.. Just trying to get a handle on the sonic properties and overall VOL output the 1822 might be able to acheive.

@dukeorock also.. Your website seems to be down. Im trying to locate more indo on this and more Thank you

I can answer this. I ran early versions of both the 4.5 and the Transporter series. As you'd expect, way more lows and low mids, without being overbearing, muddy, or boomy.

Said as politely as I can, Hartke line doesnt come close to this cab. Two totally different market segments.

 

[svtb15]

Thats what i thought.. But we are all familiar with certain universal backline rigs. They work.. but I'm looking for something Unique that is a one cab load in for any of my gigs. and is 4Ω so i can get all teh power from my head.. from large type to bar gigs.. where i wont get muddy boom but have a low extension that is full and mids that can have a nice throatiness and highs that are not spiky or harsh.. I want a can that will become my signature.. Im not a guy that changes rigs every year. I like to settle in and use what i have year after year..
It seems to me that many sealed cabs have more PUNCH in the chest where ported cabs the punch is on the floor and feel it in your feet.
I want a good cross between the two i guess.

I can answer this. I ran early versions of both the 4.5 and the Transporter series. As you'd expect, way more lows and low mids, without being overbearing, muddy, or boomy.

Said as politely as I can, Hartke line doesnt come close to this cab. Two totally different market segments.

 

[svtb15]

So the 1822 could possibly be a ONE CAB gig ??? I've played arena size gigs with one 410 and DI. If the 1822 can get close to a 410 then I can see this working our for me..And it would be a no brainer for a bar gig too...
IT is 4 Ω ?? right?

I often worry about VOL when i go with a ONE CAB situation because i am in Texas ow and these GUT players get a bit loud at times..
But many gigs i would use just one Uber115 , because we were lazy and i had DI to FOH and i'm fine.
I would like to get more from ONE CAB than i did from the Uber115, have it be 4Ωs and have a smooth yet wide and not boomy bottom

Since I've been primarily been building Greenboy cabs, I let the BNA website go down for awhile. We still have a Facebook page, but tve 1822 is so new we haven't posted much yet. I really should because I'm very proud of this new cab!

 

[dukeorock]

So the 1822 could possibly be a ONE CAB gig ??? I've played arena size gigs with one 410 and DI. If the 1822 can get close to a 410 then I can see this working our for me..And it would be a no brainer for a bar gig too...
IT is 4 Ω ?? right?

I often worry about VOL when i go with a ONE CAB situation because i am in Texas ow and these GUT players get a bit loud at times..
But many gigs i would use just one Uber115 , because we were lazy and i had DI to FOH and i'm fine.
I would like to get more from ONE CAB than i did from the Uber115, have it be 4Ωs and have a smooth yet wide and not boomy bottom

I think we can cover everything you're talking about except the cab is 8 ohms. I figured I'd use mine for 90% of my gigs and add a second one, which at this point, I'd only need outdoors. For the past year it's been my only cab on 100% of my gigs

 

[JGR]

So the 1822 could possibly be a ONE CAB gig ??? I've played arena size gigs with one 410 and DI. If the 1822 can get close to a 410 then I can see this working our for me..And it would be a no brainer for a bar gig too...
IT is 4 Ω ?? right?

I often worry about VOL when i go with a ONE CAB situation because i am in Texas ow and these GUT players get a bit loud at times..
But many gigs i would use just one Uber115 , because we were lazy and i had DI to FOH and i'm fine.
I would like to get more from ONE CAB than i did from the Uber115, have it be 4Ωs and have a smooth yet wide and not boomy bottom

It's an 8 ohm cab. It has the sensitivity and displacement to work well as a single-driver sealed cab and cover a lot of ground, but if you need massive SPL, you'd likely need a pair.

 

[svtb15]

Do you have more specs on the cab and photos? Thank you

I think we can cover everything you're talking about except the cab is 8 ohms. I figured I'd use mine for 90% of my gigs and add a second one, which at this point, I'd only need outdoors. For the past year it's been my only cab on 100% of my gigs

 

[dukeorock]

Do you have more specs on the cab and photos? Thank you

Here's an early prototype next to an F212

We've since changed the dimensions and made it a tad shorter and deeper

It now looks like this...

Here's a couple stacked next to an F212 to give a perspective of scale

And my favorite electric bass rig for live AND recording...

We're putting this cab at 500 watts @8ohms, though I run my Crest ProLite at about 1,000 with no issues. Common sense still works! They weigh about 50lbs. There was a fair amount of prototyping involved to get to where we are now, but I'm pretty happy with what we've come up with. Goes low enough to handle a B string well and the mid drivers will smoothly go up as high as 10-12k which I like for upright. I'm not personally interested in going much higher than 7-8k and that's just for slap upright. On electric I want a bit of snap up top, but nothing I'd consider 'bright.' I have a GK MB800 and if you want that zingy GK thing, the cab will certainly accommodate that tone. Some of the amps/pres I've tested with this cab include
Mesa M9-
Mesa Titan-
Grace Felix with a poweramp
Aguilar Tone Hammer Pre/DI with a poweramp
Ampeg SVT4 Pro
Carvin BX1600
Michael Pope MPP2 into a poweramp
And @Zoomie often uses a Genz Streamliner 900

My favorite for electric is still my Reiner 6SL7 pre into the Crest. Runner up is the Mesa M9
For upright, the Grace FELIX is my very favorite with the Pope coming in second.

For basses we've used;
Fender P w/ flats
Fender P w/rounds
Dingwall Super J/P4
Dingwall Super J5
Drake custom 35" scale 4 string w/ TV Jones blade pickups
First Act Custom shop hollowbody with Dark Star pickups
1948 Epiphone B4 upright with steel strings and an Underwood pickup
Blast Cult upright with gut strings and a Blast Cult pickup


Hope that helps!

 

[Sharknose79]

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[boamedt]

How does it compare to that f212 ?