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I'm pretty sure The General is ported. Also... I have not seen the 1822, but I'm pretty sure The General is larger, and I'm guessing it's at least 30 pounds heavier.
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General Sherman! The designs are quite different - the general is larger, heavier, and ported with a different 18 and a 10" guitar driver, while the 1822 is more compact, sealed, and has two midrange drivers.
What they have in common is utilizing some of the great new 18" speakers that are available - which are nothing like the old designs people associate with 18's.
The General was intended to be a single driver, one cab solution (4 ohm, huge Xmax, huge thermal).
The 1822 is geared to cover both upright and electric bass, and offers a fairly compact single driver sealed cab solution that can cover a lot of ground volume-wise due to the high sensitivity, Xmax, and Vd; I don't know of any compact or single driver sealed cabs that can cut it on their own - you generally need multiples to get sufficient SPL. The 18" design has enough to get you there (based on Mark and John's gigging experience with it).
Yup, exactly right!
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Glad you are gigging again Frank! There are a bunch of YT clips with it using the S1200 which may give you an idea of weather or not you might dig it!
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They are quite different, though the General Sherman served as inspiration for me. I love a good sealed cab, but for most of my local gigs, lugging around an NV412 Or NV610 is very impractical. Jonathan uses the term 'vintage hi-fi' and that's the sound in my head. We started having conversations about a relatively small and light cab that could perform like a large sealed cab. There are very few drivers out there that could do it. We really needed to find an over designed driver. The upside of a sealed cab is punch and clarity. They have the best transient response, IMO. The tradeoff is you're going to get a little less deep low end and power handing. So we found a driver with huge lows and power handling to compensate.
We also wanted it to be very plug and play and I needed some extended high end capability for doubling and upright only gigs. I love his choice for mid drivers. You really don't notice they're in there, but the cab will smoothly go up fairly high if you need that. Jonathan isn't a big fan of tweeters or LPads and these mid drivers eliminate the need for that. I had my doubts that a soft dome mid driver would be robust enough to handle super loud slap upright gigs, but after putting well over 100 shows on the first prototype, including large outdoor shows, it would seem my concerns were unfounded
For the record, Jonathan and I are not business partners in any way. We're pals who riffed on some design ideas for fun
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It's a P Bass Select. A fellow TBer got in a bind and gave me a deal that I couldn't refuse.
Has Chromes on it and has a signature P bass tone.
It's staying!
They are quite different, though the General Sherman served as inspiration for me. I love a good sealed cab, but for most of my local gigs, lugging around an NV412 Or NV610 is very impractical. Jonathan uses the term 'vintage hi-fi' and that's the sound in my head. We started having conversations about a relatively small and light cab that could perform like a large sealed cab. There are very few drivers out there that could do it. We really needed to find an over designed driver. The upside of a sealed cab is punch and clarity. They have the best transient response, IMO. The tradeoff is you're going to get a little less deep low end and power handing. So we found a driver with huge lows and power handling to compensate.
We also wanted it to be very plug and play and I needed some extended high end capability for doubling and upright only gigs. I love his choice for mid drivers. You really don't notice they're in there, but the cab will smoothly go up fairly high if you need that. Jonathan isn't a big fan of tweeters or LPads and these mid drivers eliminate the need for that. I had my doubts that a soft dome mid driver would be robust enough to handle super loud slap upright gigs, but after putting well over 100 shows on the first prototype, including large outdoor shows, it would seem my concerns were unfounded
For the record, Jonathan and I are not business partners in any way. We're pals who riffed on some design ideas for fun
To be clear, there is no shortage of lows. Had Mark made a cab that messed up my low B, there would have been huge trouble!
Here's some links to early tests. Hope these are OK to post, Mark. I'm assuming so since you and Jonathan mentioned them.
OK.
Sounds like, at first glance, this is lighter than a 15/6/1...
...more pointed than The General, ( with all due respects, to The General, Sir....)
towards a more useful platform.
I am overly interested IN A SEALED cabinet... OR TWO.
What is power handling capacity of one.??.....two....????
I'll email Mark for prices...
You guys are great.
Bof-a-ya...!
Sounds like, at first glance, this is lighter than a 15/6/1...
...more pointed than The General, ( with all due respects, to The General, Sir....)
towards a more useful platform.
I am overly interested IN A SEALED cabinet... OR TWO.
What is power handling capacity of one.??.....two....????
I'll email Mark for prices...
You guys are great.
Bof-a-ya...!
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Figure 500 watts continuous but you can feed it a lot more and it will sound glorious.
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That's a great question! When we started playing around with designs, I didn't know anyone but Jonathan was even doing 18 based designs. When I saw Dukes cabs I wrote him to discuss it. I'm a huge fan of Duke as a person and designer and as usual, we had a terrific discussion about this. I offered to buy a TC118 and if it was too similar (or better) than our 1822, then I would just discontinue our cab and play his! Duke encouraged me to move forward with the design. We both agree that the modern 118 is kinda 'the new 410' in that it can move tons of air in a relatively small cab. But of course, with the 118 design you won't get all the phase issues of a 410. Duke believes in these new designs (as do I) and felt more designs would ultimately benefit us all and hopefully change old ideas about what a well designed 118 is capable of. Dude is pure class
To answer your question of the 1822 verses a TC118 or Hathor 1855, Id say our 1822 falls in the middle between the two. Not quite as 'studio monitor' pristine, like the TC118 and not as aggressive in the mids like the 1855. Not that I think our 1822 is 'better' by any means. I have nothing but admiration for Duke as a designer and human, but it appears our 1822 is just different enough to be a contender. Time will tell
We put a year into beta testing and prototyping (as well as a sealed 218) just to know for sure the design is solid and road worthy.
Thanks for your interest!
Mark
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This really has me interested in an 18 cab... mmmmmmm I am currently looking for a One CaB fits all situations solution and i run teh gamut on style, venue changes >> And sealed may be what i have been missing for so many years and just didnt know it yet. mmmmmmm?
I just dont like the beaminess that happens with almost every 410 that i have played..
I just dont like the beaminess that happens with almost every 410 that i have played..
I'm with you on the 410 issue.
I don't play all styles. I can say that it takes me from cc/praise through country and blues through classic bar room fodder, without re-EQing or anything other than plug and play.
Again, for my personal tastes.
