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Double Bass The Bergonzifying Transmogrifier for Bass

#21
Stick_Player said:
I agree with everything you say.

My INITIAL post, albeit sarcastic, was intended as such - but also truthful. :cool:
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Yeah, but it is isn't true, nobody here is going to believe it is true and going on about it just makes you sound more and more like someone who's out of control ego makes them take important musical fundamentals way too lightly.

Not to turn it into a pissing contest but I have been teaching and performing at a pretty high level for well over a decade and I am still getting new and different information about about the simplest fundamentals like triads and major scales.

Not wanting to focus your attention on the 24 combinations of every group of 4 pitches is one thing.

Being so short sighted to be oblivious to the value of not only knowing what those combinations are but what they SOUND like as well as what the subltle and unsubtle differences are across not just one set of pitches but from one set of pitches to another (not to mention all the various effects in even just a few basic harmonic contexts) shows not only a lack of depth and understanding what it means to study and play music but that your basic attitude will probably make it tough to realize whatever potential your music may have.
 
#22
damonsmith said:
Yeah, but it is isn't true, nobody here is going to believe it is true and going on about it just makes you sound more and more like someone who's out of control ego makes them take important musical fundamentals way too lightly.

Not to turn it into a pissing context but I have been teaching and perfoming at a pretty high level for well over a decade and I am still getting new and different information about about the simplest fundamentals like triads and major scales.

Not wanting to focus your attention on the 24 combinations of every group of 4 pitches is one thing.

Being so short sighted to be oblivious to the value of not only knowing what those combinations are but what they SOUND like as well as what the subltle and unsubtle differences are across not just one set of pitches but from one set of pitches to another (not to mention all the various effects in even just a few basic harmonic contexts) shows not only a lack of depth and understanding what it means to study and play music but that your basic attitude will probably make it tough to realize whatever potential your music may have.
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Yup.
 
#23
damonsmith said:
Yeah, but it is isn't true, nobody here is going to believe it is true and going on about it just makes you sound more and more like someone who's out of control ego makes them take important musical fundamentals way too lightly.

Not to turn it into a pissing context but I have been teaching and perfoming at a pretty high level for well over a decade and I am still getting new and different information about about the simplest fundamentals like triads and major scales.

Not wanting to focus your attention on the 24 combinations of every group of 4 pitches is one thing.

Being so short sighted to be oblivious to the value of not only knowing what those combinations are but what they SOUND like as well as what the subltle and unsubtle differences are across not just one set of pitches but from one set of pitches to another (not to mention all the various effects in even just a few basic harmonic contexts) shows not only a lack of depth and understanding what it means to study and play music but that your basic attitude will probably make it tough to realize whatever potential your music may have.
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Nicely said Damon. I didn't understand why he was so vehemently opposing something that was originally posted just to help the rest of us. Maybe those of us with college degrees in music and almost 20 years of upright bass and more than that of elec bass aren't good enough to not need these tools but he is? I am always open to the possibility...:rollno:
 
#26
damonsmith said:
Yeah, but it is isn't true, nobody here is going to believe it is true and going on about it just makes you sound more and more like someone who's out of control ego makes them take important musical fundamentals way too lightly.
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Where did I state or insinuate that I "take important musical fundamentals way too lightly"?

Not to turn it into a pissing contest but I have been teaching and perfoming at a pretty high level for well over a decade and I am still getting new and different information about about the simplest fundamentals like triads and major scales.
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Maybe I have, too? :D

Not wanting to focus your attention on the 24 combinations of every group of 4 pitches is one thing.
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Where did I state or insinuate that?

Being so short sighted to be oblivious to the value of not only knowing what those combinations are but what they SOUND like as well as what the subltle and unsubtle differences are across not just one set of pitches but from one set of pitches to another (not to mention all the various effects in even just a few basic harmonic contexts) shows not only a lack of depth and understanding what it means to study and play music but that your basic attitude will probably make it tough to realize whatever potential your music may have.
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Where did I suggest any of that? Maybe READ what I actually said - not snippets taken out of context followed by emotional rants.

Maybe those of us with college degrees in music and almost 20 years of upright bass and more than that of elec bass aren't good enough to not need these tools but he is?
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Where did I say that? And, I just might have a similar background -- one never really knows.

Simply stated: Why would one need a 'random generator' to create lists of pitches? Get out some manuscript and figure them out for yourself.
 
#29
I avoided this due to the initial 'argument', but this is really cool. Awhile back I was checking out a blues progression, but the roots weren't on the one in most cases, which confused me. with this program, I can work on ear training of a simple 1 3 5 6 walk in several combinations. May help make sense of the aforementioned blues progression.
 
#30
Hey Stick, I think that Damon was riffing on was your overall tone, which implied that the poster was wasting everybody's time and that he was in fact, posting something totally invalid and stupid. Do you disagree that your original reply was NOT meant to discredit the OP's effort? (sorry for the double negative)
 
#31
I'm definitely in the minority here.

This might be a 'fun' alternative.

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Be sure to click on the die. :D
 
#32
To add something positive to this debate, I think a great way to use this tool, would be to input a certain chord, maybe one that gives someone trouble, like a dimin chord or b9 chord or something like that, or even just a humble C7 chord, and then work through the various permutations. As useful as transcribing a Ray Brown bass line note for note? Probably not, but then again, what would be? I think this would help bass players get outside of their routing patterns of walking around certain chords. (so would transcribing a bass line from a master though...)
 
#33
engedi1 said:
Hey Stick, I think that Damon was riffing on was your overall tone, which implied that the poster was wasting everybody's time and that he was in fact, posting something totally invalid and stupid. Do you disagree that your original reply was NOT meant to discredit the OP's effort? (sorry for the double negative)
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No.

But the OP's follow-up response, to me, was to discredit, what I can do - after MANY years of working on it.

If one wants to find any 'discrediting', from my subsequent posts, it was DIRECTLY aimed at the 'crutch-like' program, NOT the OP, whom has still not explained/substantiated why it's not better to "Get out some manuscript and figure them out for yourself.", but rather to play this gizmo.
 
#35
Right now, I am going to go work on some pesky, mundane scalar sequences. You know, I have been working with these same old 12 tones for awhile, and they still interest me...:)

I hope that somebody will laugh out loud at me if I ever play, in public, what I am about to practice now, in private. I am doing it to improve my connection between my musical mind and my hands.

Having a computer program that generates sequences, so that I can then sing/play them, seems really handy to me. Sort of like using electric light and having indoor plumbing.

On the other hand, a former teacher had me write out intervals as I sung them, which was, and still is, tremendously helpful. My point is that I don't think that this is an either/or proposition. What is wrong with both using the program and doing this sort of work manually? Different implements for different results, at different times...
 
#36
Stick_Player said:
Where did I state or insinuate that I "take important musical fundamentals way too lightly"?
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When you said you can do what the software tool does in your head while playing. That is what myself and the others are not buying here - and each subsequent post of yours makes your original claim less plausible.


Stick_Player said:
If one wants to find any 'discrediting', from my subsequent posts, it was DIRECTLY aimed at the 'crutch-like' program, NOT the OP, whom has still not explained/substantiated why it's not better to "Get out some manuscript and figure them out for yourself.", but rather to play this gizmo.
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It's better if you also want to brush up on your notation ablitities. I think if a person can read and write music already, and wants a deeper understanding of a couple four note groupings this tool will make more eficient use of study time - few of us have or even want all day to spend in the shed.
 
#37
damonsmith said:
When you said you can do what the software tool does in your head while playing. That is what myself and the others are not buying here - and each subsequent post of yours makes your original claim less plausible.
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Seriously, you cannot see this pattern in your mind, and then execute it? My 5th grade son has been doing factorials for several years. Maybe you are thinking it's more than it really is.

It's not that difficult of a task - at least I don't see that way.

Didn't you have those word problems in elementary school math where you have four different colored flowers and you need to make flower arrangements, asking how many different arrangements can you make using at least one of each color?

damonsmith said:
It's better if you also want to brush up on your notation ablitities. I think if a person can read and write music already, and wants a deeper understanding of a couple four note groupings this tool will make more eficient use of study time - few of us have or even want all day to spend in the shed.
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If you need, here it is. :hyper:
 
#40
Stick_Player said:
I didn't realize that you were holding auditions. :crying:

Oh well, maybe you'll give me another shot in a few years? :bassist:
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I can only speak for myself, stick player, but I don't think you're getting many more shots around here. You've made it onto a lot of "block" lists at this point.

Many of us here can figure all kinds of permutations and combinations, and can even do factorials. The fact that you need to repeatedly insist that you can do this isn't impressing anybody.

The OP took time to code up a free app, which is no mean feat. All you've done is try to insist that you're so smart and talented you have no use for said app. It got old a while ago.
 

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