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The correct strap, position and why.
- Thread starter Fergie Fulton
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You refute your own argument with obfuscation. The closest well not perfect muscle memory is by angling to mimic standing up.
Surely we use different muscle groups when standing up.
The point I thought was how to closely practice when sitting down as compared to a live situation. As Willis says its not perfect, how can practice be compared to a live gig.
I like all the analysis but the point is the point.
Surely we use different muscle groups when standing up.
The point I thought was how to closely practice when sitting down as compared to a live situation. As Willis says its not perfect, how can practice be compared to a live gig.
I like all the analysis but the point is the point.
And you are taking the term muscle memory in a very narrow way. Of course muscles have no memory. You are being well a pain in the arse. Muscle memory is a very useful concept. It of course is also called induced muscle memory neuro- transmitter memory relayed by the cortex mem 101 that lets you replay repeated patterns on your bass memory geographic and fretboard manged memory.
Post 31 says exactly what you have said above.
All i did was clear up that muscle memory is a term not a fact.
Obfucation come from yourself in your previous post as you do not state what argument is refuted post 42, as i was not aware of any argument in place. All there are here is facts for anyone to make up there own minds with some simple rules to follow.
If you start at the beginning and read what is being said by all you will get the full picture of what is happening, saving you the trouble to basicly saying in post 42 what was said in post 31.
Sorry again, but are implying in this quote that cortex memory 101 which deals in smell and taste ( olfactory senses) are relevent, when again post 31 explains basicly what happens. I try and keep things simple as not all want, understand or need all the information in its full explanation. If player want more detail they can search on terms used.
Sorry to ask but i need to know exactly what you're saying to understand your points.
I wear a Velcro Vest and just stick my bass to myself just below my right Pec is where the upper horn lands. No straps required. Right hand - over the contour - but up off the bass when playing - this forces a better angle, no pressure on the underside of the forearm and you are using your whole arm to finger the bass. Picking and slapping are different naturally. 
If you play your parts with confidence and competence, serving the music and pleasing yourself, your bandmates and the listeners, who gives a rats ass about what strap, where, how, etc etc.
Because ultimatly it's bad for your health and could have detrimental effects in the long run, have you not been paying attention to why this thread is here
I'm not disagreeing with any of that. My response was to the posts that went off dissing various player's preferences for strap height, etc.
You guys seem a little too passionate about this topic, it's almost scary. There are obviously extremes that can be detrimental physically and/or limiting, outside of that there really are no hard and fast rules.
What works for me is a few inches below where the bass would sit on my lap if I was sitting. For that reason I often practice, rehearse and play gigs on a stool with my right leg on the floor if I'm not standing, which allows me to be "comfy" and also have the bass in a consistent position.
And in this case I'm assuming that I am discussing this with fairly experienced bass players, if I was teaching a beginner student I might sing a slightly different tune...
What works for me is a few inches below where the bass would sit on my lap if I was sitting. For that reason I often practice, rehearse and play gigs on a stool with my right leg on the floor if I'm not standing, which allows me to be "comfy" and also have the bass in a consistent position.
And in this case I'm assuming that I am discussing this with fairly experienced bass players, if I was teaching a beginner student I might sing a slightly different tune...
Sorry!!! thought you missed the point of the OP.
Your neuro stuff is fine. But it is after all falsewhen applied to the logistics of a bass player. And after all some theory you have adopted from who knows where. It is again false when applied to how I practice. That disproves your theory once. OK . According to some high falutin theorists like Popper and the like thats enuff.
Thanks for the reply, the OP is a guide, not a hard fast rules.
The theory behind it is based in anatomy and what we know so far about about body mechanic and it is applicable to us as human beings.
How you practice is for you, how others practise is for them the two do not follow any rules.
But i'm interested as i collect such facts and data why
the above quote is a fact for you? Feel free to post openly or contact me privately, and highlight any parts of what i say and your experience in the matters, thanks
When I am sitting down to practice, I am in my Laz-E-Boy with it fully reclined and the bass in the same position as it would be when standing.
hahah almost had to spit out my drink on that one
On the whole muscle memory thing I think well I hope we are just talking past each other. What I know from my experience and learning from some of the great jazz educators like Howard Roberts, Barry Galbraith (from books not face to face tuition) is they they talk about plateaus of learning.
You get to a certain level. Its cool. But to get to that next level requires an effort. Now is that mental, muscle learning or whatever. I don'y know and the whole anatomy thing is cool on a an intellectual level.
I studied postmodern geography at the PHd level for 7 years. So if you want to talk about the vagaries of the commercial property market in Sydney, I am your man.
However, I believe that through repetition that the brain tells muscles to do things more efficiently.
Can you dispute this. It is only through this format I can play Teen Town.
You get to a certain level. Its cool. But to get to that next level requires an effort. Now is that mental, muscle learning or whatever. I don'y know and the whole anatomy thing is cool on a an intellectual level.
I studied postmodern geography at the PHd level for 7 years. So if you want to talk about the vagaries of the commercial property market in Sydney, I am your man.
However, I believe that through repetition that the brain tells muscles to do things more efficiently.
Can you dispute this. It is only through this format I can play Teen Town.
What a load of horse crap!
I have long ass monkey arms, and it actually bothers my right wrist to sit and play for long periods. So I wear my bass lower, around my belly area when I stand.
You can't make sweeping generalizations about body / playing ergonomics. Everyones's bodies are made differently.
Thanks for the reply, the OP is a guide, not a hard fast rules.
The theory behind it is based in anatomy and what we know so far about about body mechanic and it is applicable to us as human beings.
How you practice is for you, how others practise is for them the two do not follow any rules.
But i'm interested as i collect such facts and data why
the above quote is a fact for you? Feel free to post openly or contact me privately, and highlight any parts of what i say and your experience in the matters, thanks
Are you writing a book?
The OP seems to be a bunch of questions and some thoughts that you have. By no means can that be looked at as a guide....
