The Doors - 5 to 1 bass effect

[oldrocker]

I am not versed in bass effects. I play straight in to the amp, no effects. This sounds like distortion or fuzz to me. Can any one tell me what pedals I could use to dial in this sound:

The Door 5 to 1:



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[BassBrass]

I'd use my small sound big sound Team Awesome (Bass) Fuzz Machine (aka TAFM here). But there have to be more options out there. Obviously the original was something in studio, an overdriven amp maybe or a guitar fuzz eq'd.

 

[qersty]

That's not a bass, it's a rhodes piano. I suppose you could get that kinda sound with subtle ringmod

 

[lz4005]

That's not a bass, it's a rhodes piano. I suppose you could get that kinda sound with subtle ringmod

Incorrect. Doug Lubahn played electric bass on that album, and that song.
The Secret History of the Doors' Bass Players

 

[oldrocker]

That's not a bass, it's a rhodes piano.

Did you even listen to the recording?

 

[oldrocker]

I'd use my small sound big sound Team Awesome (Bass) Fuzz Machine (aka TAFM here). But there have to be more options out there. Obviously the original was something in studio, an overdriven amp maybe or a guitar fuzz eq'd.

Thanks Brass

 

[CentralCoastBass]

No one here gets out alive.

 

[oldrocker]

I'd use my small sound big sound Team Awesome (Bass) Fuzz Machine (aka TAFM here). But there have to be more options out there. Obviously the original was something in studio, an overdriven amp maybe or a guitar fuzz eq'd.

I haven't seen a demo of the TAFM yet but I watched a demo of the Bass Big Muff and the Deluxe Bass Big Muff up on youtube.





Some cool sounds but not really what I'm looking for here.

Are there other pedals I should check out or is the TAFM the solution. I have to admit the price of the TAFM concerns me a bit.

Again, pedal and effect newbie here.

 

[Deleted member 271037]

I haven't seen a demo of the TAFM yet but I watched a demo of the Bass Big Muff and the Deluxe Bass Big Muff up on youtube.





Some cool sounds but not really what I'm looking for here.

Are there other pedals I should check out or is the TAFM the solution. I have to admit the price of the TAFM concerns me a bit.

Again, pedal and effect newbie here.

You might want to check out the Green Russian Big Muff too. It's cheap and better for bass than any of the "Bass" Muffs IMO. You don't get the clean blend function of the Bass Muffs but you won't need it. Unlike most other Muffs the Russian doesn't have any significant loss of lows. And the clean blend on the regular Bass Muff is crap anyway, it just lets you blend in the distorted signal on top of a fixed level clean signal. So unless you can live with significant level boosts/drops when the pedal is kicked in there's only one clean/dirt ratio that works. As for the Deluxe it's a waste of money IMO. The clean/dist blend is more versatile then the regular Bass Muff but the filters suck unless you are looking for a very resonant "cocked wah" kinda sound.

 

[oldrocker]

You might want to check out the Green Russian Big Muff too. It's cheap and better for bass than any of the "Bass" Muffs IMO. You don't get the clean blend function of the Bass Muffs but you won't need it. Unlike most other Muffs the Russian doesn't have any significant loss of lows. And the clean blend on the regular Bass Muff is crap anyway, it just lets you blend in the distorted signal on top of a fixed level clean signal. So unless you can live with significant level boosts/drops when the pedal is kicked in there's only one clean/dirt ratio that works. As for the Deluxe it's a waste of money IMO. The clean/dist blend is more versatile then the regular Bass Muff but the filters suck unless you are looking for a very resonant "cocked wah" kinda sound.

Thanks SF. I went and looked at a demo of the on Youtube. I like it, simple controls and I think i can get a good sound with this pedal.

 

[Deleted member 271037]

Thanks SF. I went and looked at a demo of the on Youtube. I like it, simple controls and I think i can get a good sound with this pedal.

Yeah, that's the one. I'm not sure how close it will get you to the Five to One sound but it's certainly the best currently available Muff from EHX (for bass that is, the so called Bass Muff is actually really cool with guitar...).

EHX have released a lot of poor sounding Muffs over the years but they really nailed it with this Russian Green one. It's every bit as good as some of the expensive boutique Muff clones IMO. And like you say, simple controls. And it's dirt cheap. I love it!

 

[Slater]

For that Five to One sound, you might have start down the Fuzz Face rabbit hole. In other words (for a pedal newbie), look into Fuzz Face or Fuzz Face clone pedals (and there are a lot of ‘em ).

 

[Michedelic]

Consider what was available, fuzz-wise, when that track was recorded, spring 1968. As the Doors were users of Acoustic Control amplification, a 360 with it’s unique fuzz circuit certainly could have been present(Manzerek used them live for his Fender piano bass). However, Lubahn, as a session guy, could have used anything. In that time period, besides Muffs, there was the Jordan Bosstone(the Doors used Jordan amps early on), the Mosrite Fuzz-rite, and the (US)Vox Tonebender, all more prevalent in LA than anywhere else. So I’d look into modern day recreations of those old pedals first to try to recreate that sound.

 

[Michedelic]

For the sake of historical accuracy, since I mention the Muff, it was not issued until late ‘69 at the earliest. Mike Matthews made a forerunner for Guild, the Foxey Lady(used by Robert Fripp in King Crimson early on), but I don’t know how similar the circuits are. While the Fuzzface was certainly around in 1968, who knows what kind of distribution that and the FL might have had in those days to be available in LA. As far as the 360 fuzz is concerned, that’s definitely what you hear on Sly’s ‘Dance To The Music’, right after Larry Graham sings ‘I’m gonna add some bottom’, so you might want to compare that. I think there is a current copy of that in pedal form. Not much for bass players then, and not really that many bassists using fuzz at that point(much of what you hear from that period is amp distortion). McCartney and Wyman dabbled circa ‘65/‘66; otherwise there was Graham, Tim Bogert, and the guy in The Music Machine(“Talk Talk”). Noel Redding live, maybe, kinda hard to tell from recordings.

 

[40Hz]

I think there is a current copy of that in pedal form.

Viva Analog makes (or used to make) a recreation of the Acoustic 360 fuzz circuit as well as the entire preamp. Don’t know if it’s still available though.

I had a 360 stack back in the 70s. It was the voice of the bass gods in its day. The fuzz was hyper aggressive. I used it rarely and always on as mild a setting as I could manage when I did.

 

[Rumbledore]

I am not versed in bass effects. I play straight in to the amp, no effects. This sounds like distortion or fuzz to me. Can any one tell me what pedals I could use to dial in this sound:

The Door 5 to 1:



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^^^
I believe the pedal in your OP video is:
Maestro FZ-1A

 

[Basshappi]

As great as they are, the downside to the Viva 360, TAFM and other boxes is that they are a bit pricey. If the OP, who stated he is not an FX person per se, is looking at this for only occasional use it might be best to steer him to the less expensive options. The EHX Green Russian muff reissue is a good suggestion. Might also look into the afore-mentioned Fuzzface, the DOD Carcosa or some of the less expensive ODs.

In a live mix, perfect historical sonic accuracy is probably not required.

 

[JimmyM]

Doug Lubahn said they would record his bass using a B-15 and a DI. I suspect they cranked the B-15 a bit and leaned on the mic sound.

 

[Rambazamba]

Needless to say but it has to be said at least once in this thread: that bass sound is one of the best ever recorded!

 

[Feral Feline]

Bazz Fuss would be a great fit.

SIMPLE
CHEAP
SMALL
SOUNDS GREAT