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The Hossenfeffer Bass Build

Depends on your choice of inlay material. If pouring epoxy, then what you said makes sense. But if using sheets of pearloid or MOP or whatever, then you can radius first, then inlay, then bind.
 
If i go with pearloid, won't i still have to sand the inlays to match radius? Isn't it easier to cut inlay routes into a pre-radius flat board than moving a dremel around on a curved surface. I've never cut inlays, but that seems like the right approach.
 
Easier on a flat board, yes, but not that much more difficult on a radiused board if you have a radius block or two to use as Dremel guides and clamping cauls. What radius are you using again?
 
Long time, no post. Due to (insert lame excuse here) this project has been dormant for 6 months. It's been a bit of a rough year on the personal front, but I'm back on this, finally. Ordered another batch of parts. I agonized long and hard over the FB inlays and decided to go with full-width faux MOP instead of the cheap "sharkfin" inlays I found on Grizzly.com. They just looked weird, like plastic with rice kernels floating in them. It took me a while to find faux MOP sheet stock that was thick enough to radius without burning through it, this stuff is around 1/8" thick. I bit the bullet and ordered some true celluloid checker binding from Winfield Vintage, obscenely expensive ($75!) but one of only two suppliers in the world (the other being Shellex of Germany) that still make this stuff, so it's take it or leave it on price. There is some blurry looking dyed checker binding available on Ebay, but it's Chinese junk. This stuff is absolutely crisp monochromatic black and white, hope I don't trash it installing it. Also shown is white binding stock from Stewmac, pickguard screws, strap buttons, and double output jackplate. The "genuine" ones with slightly recessed jack holes are also available from Winfield Vintage for... wait for it... $75! For a $.50 piece of chromed stamped steel. In the immortal words of Hall and Oates "I can't go for that, no can do".

I'm presently building a jig to cut the binding channels, after the checker binding price debacle, got to cut costs somewhere, so Stewmac binding rabbet set is out. I'll post photos of the prototype when it works so I don't embarass myself. One advantage of the full-width inlays is that I only have to cut two straight channels for each inlay, which I can rig up a little fence for, then just hog out the middle. I will practice on scrap mahogany first, of course. Also template sanding the body to grind down the bondo i used on all the tearout from my crappy router. More photos soon, have some time off this week. Thanks for checking up on me Ron. The rumors of my demise were greatly exaggerated.
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A bit more micro-progress eked out over the holiday weekend...
Here's the bass as it stands now
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I had a lot of tearout on the edges where the grain turns, had to fill with "high performance wood filler" (bondo) and then template sand with the Robosander. Interesting and aggravating note on this, the guide wheel on the Robosander is set to a diameter that works ONLY with 50 grit sanding sleeves, though it says that nowhere in the documentation. I bought a set of 150 grit sleeves from Kingspor advertised as for the Robosander. Guess what, they don't work! The 150 grit sleeves are enough thinner than 50 grit that they never contact the work! No mention of this on the Klingspor site either, of course. I sent a note to the guy who invented it, he very generously offered to send me an undersized guide wheel that will work, kind of dead in the water on the body till then.
I've never made a fingerboard before, so decided to make a full mockup to test techniques, particularly full-width inlays. here's a photo of the bubinga blank, a mahogany mockup made from some deck board I had kicking around, and the MDF template:
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Here's a ghetto scrapwood prototype of a binding jig I put together as an experiment. I used KD funiture connectors to give it micrometer adjustment. Turning the bolt at the back runs the pointy stylus end in or out to un-mask more or less of the bit, in this case a downcut spiral.
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Results were mixed, depending on grain. One attempt very smooth with grain climbing into cut, one not so much with grain falling away. All the Stewmac binding sets and similar seem to use a shear-cut rabbeting bit, so maybe that's my problem, wrong bit for the job. Or i just suck at jigs!
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I got some 1/8" thick faux MOP from Constantines and cut it roughly to size on the bandsaw, then sanded edges straight for the full-width inlays. These still have paper templates glued to them, with the uncovered material at the top of the photo. I am under the assumption that the faux MOP swirly-ness extends through the depth of the material, looks that way, but I'll radius sand a scrap to see how it looks!
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Next step will be practice inlaying the full-width inlays on the scrap mahogany fingerboard mockup. I don't know how much harder or softer the Bubinga is, they feel about the same by fingernail test, but one or the other may be more prone to tearout or splintering. I plan to proceed as follows for the actual Bubinga FB:
1. Leaving FB blank slightly oversize, cut full width "wedge" shapes for inlays across entire width of blank. Experiments will tell me if this is cleaner by chiseling the line or just running a downcut spiral right across to form inlay edges (probably chisel will be cleaner).
2. Glue inlays into place. I figure this will prevent tearout of corners of inlay recesses in step 3.
3. Use MDF fingerboard template to pattern rout fingerboard to size. The question is, will this melt the faux MOP in the process, or cut cleanly. I have no idea!
4. Using my binding jig or rabbeting cutters, rout channel for binding along edges of FB. Same question, will the MOP inlays melt during this?
5. Assuming all goes well with steps 1-4, install binding, scrape flush, then radius sand the board with binding and inlays in place so everything gets ground to radius simultaneously.
6. Install frets before or after glueing FB to neck??

Any advice from those of you actually have experience doing this, by all means chime in! I'm out on a limb, but in no hurry to jump.
 
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Practice makes perfect....
I've never done inlays before, so I made a complete fingerboard clone out of scrap mahogany plank and went to town on it. based on tutorials I've seen on TB:
Inlay outline scribed and cut with chisel
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Free-hand routed with a 1/8" downcut spiral bit in a Dremel
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Waste chiseled up to lines
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First two test cuts at 3 and 5 positions. I nicked the edge a tiny bit on the 3rd fret position to the left. Might be better to set up little fences to keep the dremel base 1/16" or so away from my cut line rather than freehanding it. Finish FB thickness will be just shy of 3/8", which is standard Ric FB. Inlays are a fat 1/8".
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Oversize faux MOP inlay triangles with paper templates spray mounted over. One nice thing about full-width triangle inlays, its just a couple straight lines and the "wedge" shape allows the inlay to literally a wedge-tight fit.
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My plan is to practice a couple more and then try gluing in a spare scrap piece before attempting the same process on the bubinga FB. I figure on gluing the inlays in and then routing the edges of the FB for binding. I'm hoping this won't burn or melt the faux MOP as i do this. Any suggestions or constructive criticism appreciated. I think I may use a razor saw to cut the straight inlay edges next time, using a chisel for this dulls it quick.
 
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There is just no substitute for having, or in this case borrowing, the Right Tool for The Job. A generous fellow TB'er (who shall remain anonymous, but you know who you are, Thanks!) lent me the Stewmac binding cutter set after watching me ruin scrap with my ghetto binding jig. I've been dreading this step for the inherent risk of tearout and other disasters, but it worked perfectly with these bits. I highly recommend them to anyone doing binding, I'll suck it up and buy my own set next time! The set consists of a shear-cut rabbet bit and a series of bearings in .010 increments. The binding includes a .060 outer binding plus the checker binding strip, so it required two "ledges" of different depths.
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Here's the stepped ledge
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The fingerboard is my mahogany mockup
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A loose test fit, held tight, the fit is perfect!
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I bought some of the Stewmac binding cement, but have since watched a number of tutorials using acetone to make a "binding paste" out of dissolved white binding. I know this works with celluloid, but how about Stewmac plastic? Anybody have a strong recommendation one way or the other? I will try to do binding ASAP, don't want these sharp edges to get damaged. It seems the best way to glue this is both layers of binding simultaneous.

Enough inlay practice, time to try it on my bubinga blank. I got a tiny bit of chipout, but that should get sanded out during radiusing.
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I pre-bent the checker binding and white stock strips with a heat gun, seemed to work pretty well, but I'm realizing that the checker stuff is so thick it's going to be a PITA getting it tight around the pointy horns. I heated it as much as I dared, and it still seems to overhang the upper stepped slot a tiny bit at the tight radii, which pushes the white outer binding outwards. It fits perfectly along the bigger radii, not sure what to do with this. I could use the next size up binding bit and cut another .010 deeper on the checker binding slot, but then it will be a hair too deep on the gentler curves. The alternative is to just glue it up as-is, but that means I'll be scraping the outer white binding a bit to get it flush with the body, but more so at the horns than elsewhere. It's relatively thick white binding (.060"), so maybe it won't be noticeable if it's scraped thiiner at the horns?
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I had some of the plastic cement Stewmac recommends for their binding, so I tried a couple mockups on maple scrap to compare the cement to straight acetone. The acetone seems to adhere very quickly and leaves no residue on the body, so I think I'll go that route. As I understand it, the best method for a double-layer binding is to do both binding and purfling simultaneously, any advice on technique for this process greatly appreciated. I tried blue painters tape, which does not seem strong enough to really get the binding tight at the corners. I maybe I could use thin packing tape, but I don't know if the acetone will dissolve it. Might suck it up and get some the overpriced Strewmac binding tape.
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The mitered version is acetone, the one on top is plastic cement. I dissolved some plastic binding chips in acetone, which makes a nice "goop" that can be troweled into miters or any divots or voids.
 
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Hey,

Good to see this going again.

I have some minimal experience at binding. The over priced stuff from stew mac does work a tad bit better.

I was looking for some of the video's that I referenced when doing my first binding projects.
There's some good stuff on LMII that's not too bad. Just look under Articles and tutorials
Theres also stuff on stew mac. Don't know if you've seen this>>>>>Invalid Link Removed

Sorry can't help more
 
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Just checked out the Stewmac article on laminating binding. Interesting that they recommend acetone instead of hawking their own glue, unusual for Stewmac! I'm not sure I get the theory though, I can maybe see that working with thin binding layers, but if one layer of .070" checker binding is hard to bend to radius, how is it going to get easier laminating it to a .060" additional layer?