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The "Millennia STT-1" pre-amp

Jan 30, 2012
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Hi TB techies,

Here lately I've been seeing quite a few requests for advice regarding 'Stand-alone' professional grade, "Bass guitar Preamplifiers". I see this as an excellent sign of an 'Evolving bassplayer' because years ago (in the sixties, seventies and eighties), the "Professional Bass gear world" was remarkably 'Behind the times', or even 'non-compliant' when it came to the publication of 'the written spec sheet'. As a result, guitar and bass amplifier manufacturers were 'NOT' held accountable to publish truthful, meaningful, or even informative, (Standardized) specification sheets by which we... 'The musicians', could compare "Apples to Apples" when choosing new speakers, amplifiers, and other electronic reproduction equipment.

And so it was during this period that I would begin seeking to "mix and match" PA system components with the readily available bass amplifier components in a relentless effort to 'BUILD MY OWN' bass reproduction systems just to be heard (as well as felt) out in the partying audience! I'd formerly been using mostly Ampeg and Acoustic brand equipment; usually in the 100W to 120W output bracket. I would eventually move up to the 300 watt range when I sold my Acoustic '140-B' head (105W RMS) and purchased my very first Ampeg SVT head!

It was also around this time (1977) that I learned that an amp's 'output power rating' is 'completely
irrelevant'
regarding an amp's loudness without the speaker's electro-mechanical 1/w 1/m 'Sensitivity' rating... I won't indulge this subject at this time; regardless of how many of you actually do fully grasp the theory, I know there's plenty to be clarified on this extremely misunderstood, 'Fairytale driven' subject of 'LOUDNESS'... "I feel that at some point it should be discussed In-depth." But for now, I wanted to share a great piece of equipment that I stumbled upon several years ago.

I saw it in an issue of 'BassPlayer' magazine (W/ James Jamerson on cover)! They did a five pre-amp contestant shoot-out. At the time I was using a pre-amp from Barcus Berry Electronics, Mod: 383. It was just an Okay pre-amp w/ bass, mid and treble controls on the front panel; but nothing to write 'Yo mama' back home about. The way my use of a professional pre-amp began, I had been using a 'very high efficiency' Cerwin Vega B-36 (1 x 18) Folded-horn (Lows) and a EV B-410 to cover the top-end. I used a Crown 'Powertech-3'power amp (540W/ch into 8ohms, 760W/ch into 4) to drive them.

At some point I guess I started lusting for something new (as if I didn't already have enough power to shatter windows in the house next door)... "if you've been there yourself please let me hear from you!" This time I was lusting for a 'Crest' CA-9; would develop about 2,000 'Ponies'! The Crown is a Class A/B design, the Crest... a Class H but sounded very different when compared under the very same conditions e.g., Instrument source, room temp, pre-amp output drive gain, power amp's attenuater settings, volume levels, 'bal or unbalanced' drive input path selection...etc. "I realize that on the 'Bottom-end' it may be difficult to hear a definitive difference; especially when driven by a sub-woofer signal". But the rules change when the Slew rate (rate of voltage change, limiting factor of amplifier output/volts per sec.) is factored in.

When I changed-out the Crown PT3 and bought the Crest CA-9, I (literally) lost all of the 'organic' warmth afforded me by my vintage 60's JazzBass! It had taken me YEARS to get it just right by adjusting the preamp controls, the graphic EQ settings, swapping speakers, pickups, bass strings...etc, and now what took me maybe 20 years to achieve, was gone in the time it took to slip the new amp in my rack! I did a bunch of research on the subject of 'Signal processing/Amplifier topologies' to find out just why I lost my great tone by swapping out the power section in my rack, but more importantly, "how do I recover it..." The answer; the "Millennia STT-1" Origin!

To tell you the truth, I'd never considered using a 'Professional Recording' channel strip as a discrete bass preamp, as opposed to a regular bass head; which I had always used since I was a kid in high school. But since I heard it... That was it! I've seen a lot of guys featured in 'BassPlayer' magazine using 'em in the recording studio so I knew that they had to be super clean, but they're also used for the delicate task of capturing intricate nuances of the String and Reed instruments of the entire orchestra, and this peaked my interest.

With a price tag around $3K, most people will be happy to just 'Keep it movin' and use something much more conventional to process their sound. But through the years I've spent way more than that just searching for "the perfect tone" so I consider this just another investment into the same! Plus, using this Pre-amp's two Discrete ('Solid State and Tube') signal paths (which can be used individually or in series), I can Re-create any commercial amplifier's signature tone (Ampeg SVT, Acoustic 371, Kustom 200) or my very own unique tone w/ the powerful Parametric Equalizer, Full compressor and Cross-over!

There's another feature that I find to be extremely helpful. Some designated bass pre-amps out there aren't able to drive pro-sound amplifiers on the market due to their low drive level (Max) output voltages e.g., 0.775v (0 dbu). The Millennia STT-1 will drive any pro amp up to +32dbu / 31.0v (X 40), have a look below:

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Here's a link to the features and specs page from 'Millennia' below:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEEQFjAJ&url=http://www.mil-media.com/stt-1.html&ei=pS3IVMDSJIypgwTbioLADA&usg=AFQjCNHT5-94kf80Auq6HJc8dAR0jTmd_g&sig2=HhqPGlueYBh7a6wh91QqcQ

...and here's a page from the 'Sweetwaters' webpage:

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/det...e=&network=g&gclid=CPDO3evHpsMCFdgDgQodFWoAdA
Writing about this was fun... Hope someone here will consider the STT-1 when choosing their next Instrument Pre-amp! Cheers :bassist: :hyper:
 
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Let's get one fact clarified. Slew rate for both the Crest and Crown amps you mentioned are far beyond (by an order of magnitude) what is necessary for the most extreme bass guitar. Slew rate is most important for high frequency at high levels. For lower frequency reproduction it is categorically not an issue, not even close. Slew rate needs to be faster than the dV/dT of the fastest part of the waveform (zero crossing) and 20V/uSec (typical of both amps) is way, way, way faster than that.

Also, the CA-9 is not 2000 "ponies", it is 2000 watts. To convert watts to horsepower, you need to divide 2000 by 745 (watts per horsepower)

Also, aside from the difference in class AB versus G/H, there's a much more significant difference in that the Crown is a grounded bridge topology whereas the Crest is a triple EF topology with different global feedback style. Be careful what you so boldly attribute the differences to.

Let's stick to factual technical representations, not Internet myths or marketing drivel please?
 
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They did a five pre-amp contestant shoot-out. At the time I was using a pre-amp from Barcus Berry Electronics, Mod: 383. It was just an Okay pre-amp w/ bass, mid and treble controls on the front panel; but nothing to write 'Yo mama' back home about.

I threw that BBE 383 pre-amp in the garbage bin three months ago, I though it wasn't even worth to sell it :)
It indeed was OK, but it's far from the sound of the BBE Bmax-T or even my Bugera BVP5500.
 
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I threw that BBE 383 pre-amp in the garbage bin three months ago, I though it wasn't even worth to sell it :)
It indeed was OK, but it's far from the sound of the BBE Bmax-T or even my Bugera BVP5500.

Funny, Another man's garbage is another man's tool . I used a BBE 383 bass pre for years and , while it may not have had all the bells and whistles that other bass preamps have, it was very good for my purposes. When the Max preamps came out, I tried them both, then went back to the 383.
 
Funny, Another man's garbage is another man's tool . I used a BBE 383 bass pre for years and , while it may not have had all the bells and whistles that other bass preamps have, it was very good for my purposes. When the Max preamps came out, I tried them both, then went back to the 383.

The BBE 383 sounded dull, lifeless, not natural, and was to noisy for my taste. It did work pretty well with my EUB though, I think mainly because of the dull sound, it sort of made the EUB sound more authentic :), but that was with the original pickups of the EUB (I've changed the pups last year)
The Bmax-T on the other hand sounds very open, detailed but still has a warm character (because of the tube). The Bugera BVP5500 (with NOS Philips tubes) sounds very much like the Bmax-T, maybe it abit more "rough" sounding but that's ok for live playing.
Nowadays I use the Bmax-T in my homestudio and the BVP5500 is used onstage.

Edit: lately I've been using this Focusrite saffire dsp 24 soundcard, it has build in DSP (compression and EQ) and my basses sound amazing through this thing, especially when combined with the Bmax-T :cool:
 
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Funny, Another man's garbage is another man's tool . I used a BBE 383 bass pre for years and , while it may not have had all the bells and whistles that other bass preamps have, it was very good for my purposes. When the Max preamps came out, I tried them both, then went back to the 383.

I've defaulted to a preamp with less rather than more adjustability, while I know there are guys who do like a full host of features. I know this one is actually currently on the top of Dave Green's short list of preamps, which is what initially seek out the specs. I just don't like this much open ended control on the gig.
 
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I've defaulted to a preamp with fewer rather than more adjustability, while I know there are guys who do like a full host of features. I know this one is actually currently on the top of Dave Green's short list of preamps, which is what initially seek out the specs. I just don't like this much open ended control on the gig.

I believe Bob from QSC still uses a 383, also.
 
I threw that BBE 383 pre-amp in the garbage bin three months ago, I though it wasn't even worth to sell it :)
It indeed was OK, but it's far from the sound of the BBE Bmax-T or even my Bugera BVP5500.

Hi Arjank,

I think when I got the BBE '383' I was trying to move away from the Ampeg SVT-3 Pro head. I was really disappointed with the 3 Pro's output (loudness) and was needing more in that area. As an alternative, I bought a Crown 'power tech-3' (540W/CH @8ohm) power amp and needed a preamp to drive it. At that time not a lot of guys were using pro-sound audio equipment so I really wasn't sure what to choose. I saw the '383' in an issue of bassPlayer mag; which seemed to be well spoken of at that time. I was never crazy about the tone; maybe because I was so used to that Ampeg sound.

Anyway I kept it for a couple of years but when I swapped the Crown for the Crest CA9, the combo sounded thin, anemic! The Crest (imho) didn't have the fatness or warmth of the Crown and so for the BBE 383 it's raw sound was now being scrutinized... it just sounded somewhat un-charismatic. I bought an 'Ashley' single channel, 31 band EQ which I was hoping to help thicken the tone up some; but it couldn't. That's when I started seeking out a Pro-Audio instrument pre-amp, which led me to the STT-1 and I loved it. The only other professional pre-amp I'd put up against it would be the 'Avatar 737'!

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It has most of the same features as the Millennia, but doesn't have the discrete 'solid state' signal path; which I sometimes like using in combination with the tube EQ path, or all alone... other than that, I think it's TOP SHELF! Rgds!
 
...Anyway I kept it for a couple of years but when I swapped the Crown for the Crest CA9, the combo sounded thin, anemic!

Can't say I've ever had an experience with the CA9 where I would call it thin, or anemic. On the contrary, it's one of the best power amps for bass I've every tried.
 
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Can't say I've ever had an experience with the CA9 where I would call it thin, or anemic. On the contrary, it's one of the best power amps for bass I've every tried.

I agree!

It wasn't the CA-9 that sounded thin. In my opinion it was the 'BBE 383' that was lacking fullness; which is why it was replaced. I do think however, that the Crest offers a more transparent 'sonic fingerprint'; which may be more desirable to some in certain equipment set-ups. I've used both and just happen to prefer the Crown low-end with my bass guitar a little more!
 
. I saw the '383' in an issue of bassPlayer mag; which seemed to be well spoken of at that time. I was never crazy about the tone; maybe because I was so used to that Ampeg sound................. The only other professional pre-amp I'd put up against it would be the 'Avatar 737'!

Hi Rigtec,

As fas as I can remembers it was the bassplayer magazine (mid 90's?) with the pre-amps shootout, among them a Demeter, Ampeg, some others and the BBE. The BBE was available in the Netherlands so I bought it after testing out the ampeg svt which was way to noisy, tone was nice though(mayeb there was something wrong with the tube). I allways used the 383 with a Bell 9024 poweramp(mosfet) a very musical sounding poweramp.
I did a modification of the 1.8 and 3khz knobs of the 383, I moved the frequencies up which made the pre-amp sound a bit more transparent, the "cardboardy" character was still there though :D

The Bmax-T is on a whole different level, very open, crystal clear but still warm/buttery IMO one of the best pre-amps. My main gripe would be the tone-stack, you really need to get used to how it works, all the bands interact with each other. Other point is the compressor, it's just one knob, it's more appropriate to call it the "squash" button. I just need the ratio/threshold/attack/release parameters to get the amount of compression right. So when I record at home I use the DSP compressor on my Focusrite which works like a charm, very analog sound.
During a recording session a few years ago I took it to the studio and there they also had an Avalon pre-amp(not especially for bass) we compared them and we both said that the Bmax-T was the way to go.
 
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