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The new Linkin Park?

#21
JimmyM said:
Bah…that’s not manufacturing a band. The Monkees, as much as I love them, were manufactured. Look them up and try to figure out the difference.
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Maybe not as heavy handed as the monkees, but LP was far from an organically formed group of guys from the same scene. It was obvious to me from the first time I saw them that some industry muckity-muck had their hand in it. If you like that, that's fine - but it's not something that wins my respect.
 
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Getting ahead of that public image is as much marketing these days as putting up fliers. Now that I'm older I realize most people in positions of power abuse it. A lot of our musical heroes were terrible humans. I get that, but since nowadays that's the lead-line it's hard to give a fair shake. Haven't heard the new song. idk when I will seek it out. I'm already predisposed to dislike it. Crazy times.
 
#25
FugaziBomb said:
Delson introduced the band to Jeff Blue, the vice president of A&R for Zomba Music, whom he had interned for in college. Blue offered the band constructive criticism to catch the attention of record labels. Blue himself was impressed with Xero after watching them play a live show in 1998 but believed the band needed a different vocalist. Tensions and frustration within the band grew after they failed to land a record deal. The lack of success and stalemate in progress prompted Wakefield, at that time the band's vocalist, to leave the band in search of other projects. Farrell also left to tour with Tasty Snax, a Christian punk and ska band.

After spending a considerable time searching for Wakefield's replacement, Xero recruited Arizona vocalist Chester Bennington, who was recommended by Jeff Blue in March 1999.

So basically the band originally stunk, but because the guitarist knew a guy, they got industry help. Chester wasn't even from the same state - the A&R guy found him for them. They were literally manufactured by an A&R VP. There you have it.
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That was your reply? ROFL 😹 producers and record industry people do that all the time.
 
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FugaziBomb said:
Delson introduced the band to Jeff Blue, the vice president of A&R for Zomba Music, whom he had interned for in college. Blue offered the band constructive criticism to catch the attention of record labels. Blue himself was impressed with Xero after watching them play a live show in 1998 but believed the band needed a different vocalist. Tensions and frustration within the band grew after they failed to land a record deal. The lack of success and stalemate in progress prompted Wakefield, at that time the band's vocalist, to leave the band in search of other projects. Farrell also left to tour with Tasty Snax, a Christian punk and ska band.

After spending a considerable time searching for Wakefield's replacement, Xero recruited Arizona vocalist Chester Bennington, who was recommended by Jeff Blue in March 1999.

So basically the band originally stunk, but because the guitarist knew a guy, they got industry help. Chester wasn't even from the same state - the A&R guy found him for them. They were literally manufactured by an A&R VP. There you have it.
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Hm. I interpreted that a bit differently.

Delson (the guitarist) took advantage of a music group contact he made while he was working as an intern. The contact said he was impressed by the original group but thought they could benefit by a different singer. Eventually, that contact made a recommendation (Chester Bennington).

Put this in any other business context, and it sounds like an intern/employee asked for constructive feedback on work he had done, the leader made a recommendation, and later on the same leader says, “hey, this might be a solution to consider.” Call it industry help, but it sounds like smart individuals doing smart things to make a goal/dream happen. It’s not like the label hired each role, wrote each tune, and manufactured them for success.
 
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FugaziBomb said:
Delson introduced the band to Jeff Blue, the vice president of A&R for Zomba Music, whom he had interned for in college. Blue offered the band constructive criticism to catch the attention of record labels. Blue himself was impressed with Xero after watching them play a live show in 1998 but believed the band needed a different vocalist. Tensions and frustration within the band grew after they failed to land a record deal. The lack of success and stalemate in progress prompted Wakefield, at that time the band's vocalist, to leave the band in search of other projects. Farrell also left to tour with Tasty Snax, a Christian punk and ska band.

After spending a considerable time searching for Wakefield's replacement, Xero recruited Arizona vocalist Chester Bennington, who was recommended by Jeff Blue in March 1999.

So basically the band originally stunk, but because the guitarist knew a guy, they got industry help. Chester wasn't even from the same state - the A&R guy found him for them. They were literally manufactured by an A&R VP. There you have it.
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I think that's quite a stretch for "manufactured".
 
#30
FugaziBomb said:
Maybe not as heavy handed as the monkees, but LP was far from an organically formed group of guys from the same scene. It was obvious to me from the first time I saw them that some industry muckity-muck had their hand in it. If you like that, that's fine - but it's not something that wins my respect.
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Have been there, to an extent. Any time “the business” gets involved, they absolutely will have their hands in it. It’s money, the name of that game. They’re there to maximize their profit off of an artist. Can’t win if you don’t play. If the artist refuses the involvement, they stay right where they are. Different strokes.
 
#33
JonathanPDX said:
It's worth noting that she is a hardcore Scientologist with a lot of very toxic connections and beliefs, including heavily defending a convicted rapist and only backing down recently when those facts started to threaten her new gig.
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Attending a preliminary court hearing of someone you consider a friend who turns out to be a vile POS once new facts come to light isn't "heavily defending a convicted rapist".

Kinda funny that there haven't been similar "cancel them!" media frenzies about Tom Cruise, John Travolta, or other notable Scientologists either.

That kind of logical inconsistency is usually a sign of manufactured outrage and clickbait journalism nonsense.

Don't fall for it :cool:
 
#34
Nuisance said:
What? Please provide valid references to this statement.

Everything I've ever read about LP was that they kicked, scratched, and fought their way to the top. Nothing was given to them. And they were certainly not some super band that was pieced together by a label.
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Chester was actually approached by the AR folks at the label about ditching the rest of the band entirely: "forget the rapper, you're the obvious star here" kind of stuff.

He told the label to shag off.

The idea that the whole band is an "industry plant" is just ridiculous.
 
#35
MultiScaleMale said:
I thought I saw a thread a week ago, but I can't find it via search in TB and Google, so what do you think of the new Linkin Park? For me, Emily Armstrong is fine but it's not Linkin Park. But in my search, I came across a YouTube Video for Hybrid Theory, a Portuguese Linkin Park tribute band that takes "tribute band" to a whole new level. They kinda sound more like Linkin Park than Linkin Park itself does. (Videos below of new Linkin Park and Hybrid Theory)




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That tribute band sounds killer!

The fact that vocalist can actually hit the insane 17 second held D5-B4 in "Given Up" live was really cool to see.
 
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MDBass said:
Attending a preliminary court hearing of someone you consider a friend who turns out to be a vile POS once new facts come to light isn't "heavily defending a convicted rapist".

Kinda funny that there haven't been similar "cancel them!" media frenzies about Tom Cruise, John Travolta, or other notable Scientologists either.

That kind of logical inconsistency is usually a sign of manufactured outrage and clickbait journalism nonsense.

Don't fall for it :cool:
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Numerous members of the cult have come forward to claim that the Church of Scientology defends rapists and shields them from consequence. They directly attributed the Matterson case to the church protect him and that his allies, including Armstrong, supported him because he was in their cult despite him being a known abuser.

There's no clickbait or "manufactured outrage" about a literal convicted rapist and his well-documented defender suddenly pretending she was never on the guys side. You can look up comments from the accusers in trial as well as statements from Bennington's own son calling to question the band's decision to bring this person on board.

But hey, if you want to give your money to support a group lead by a rapist defender then go right ahead. Personally, I don't like to support bands with terrible people in them.
 
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JonathanPDX said:
Numerous members of the cult have come forward to claim that the Church of Scientology defends rapists and shields them from consequence. They directly attributed the Matterson case to the church protect him and that his allies, including Armstrong, supported him because he was in their cult despite him being a known abuser.

There's no clickbait or "manufactured outrage" about a literal convicted rapist and his well-documented defender suddenly pretending she was never on the guys side. You can look up comments from the accusers in trial as well as statements from Bennington's own son calling to question the band's decision to bring this person on board.

But hey, if you want to give your money to support a group lead by a rapist defender then go right ahead. Personally, I don't like to support bands with terrible people in them.
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Almost didn’t bother responding to this since you ended your response with a pretty wild strawman ad homenim, but I’ll give it a shot on the off-chance you’re interested in an actual conversation.

This is what we actually know as third parties to the situation:

Emily is not a “well-documented defender” of Danny Masterson: she attended a preliminary hearing during his trial.

She got put on blast by Cedric from the Mars Volta (a former Scientologist himself) for still being involved with the church, and the media jumped at the opportunity for a bunch of clicks.

If this level of outrage is appropriate for the situation, where is the public lunch mob for all Catholic celebrities?

Obvious double standards like this are pretty clear indicators of clickbait, and there’s no actual investigative journalism being done here either.

A former Scientologist whose wife was raped by Masterson and the son of a beloved singer who committed suicide understandably have very strong feelings about anything involving Scientology or the Linkin Park respectively.

The media reprinting their pain for clicks is at best republishing short emotionally charged editorials, not doing investigative fact-based journalism.
 
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Mike Shinoda feels more like Fred Armisen playing Mike Shinoda for an SNL skit. Emily Armstrong feels like this week's guest is Gwen Stefani, No Doubt era, and the skit is something about a bad band that never should have been put together but Apple got put the band together for a documentary and a single that will debut on Apple Music. Yeah, I don't like them. Maybe they'll grow on me. I swore I'd never be caught dead in a pair of Birkenstocks and now I own a pair.
 
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