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The Ox

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The_D

Well, thats like your opinion. Man...
Mar 20, 2004
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#1
I decided to buy "The Kids Are Allright" DVD in preperation for T in the Park this weekend and Just finished watching it :hyper:
What a great DVD and the isolated Entwistle tracks are just awesome.
Shame he wont be there at T this weekend but does anyone know who has replaced him when they tour?
 
#3
Sweet. They had to get someone with pedigree to be able to pull it off ;)
I also noticed John was playing a longhorn in some of the early performances. I knew he had some cause I bought that John Entwistle Bass collection from play a while back but I didnt realise how early he had bought it lol
 
#4
Regarding the Ox, The Who has always been a lesser popularity for me behind the Beatles and the Stones.

That's not taking anything away from John Entwistle. However, I usually don't hear his basslines as prominently in their mixes as I do say, the Beatles, Rush, or Jamerson's classic basslines. I'm not saying Entwistle wasn't great. Obviously, he has a huge following, but for some reason, I just don't hear his work that noticeably in the few Who songs that still get airplay.

Can someone refer some "Who" songs that are their personal favs regarding the Ox's playing? One must study the greats.
 
#5
The Who was the first band I ever saw live, way back when Tommy was new. I always knew Entwistle was great. But just the other day I was sitting in my car in a parking lot, listening to classic rock radio, and "Won't Get Fooled Again" came on. I cranked the bass and the volume, and realised all over again what a master he was. He romps and stomps all over that thing!!!
Try it sometime. (but beware Daltrey's big scream. It'll curl yer hair!)
 
#6
The Who are quickly rising through the ranks of my most favorite groups ever as of recently. I have been combing through YouTube vids of their early years and they really had and continue to have 'it' down. They were punk-ish, poppy, hard-edged, rockin', clever, quaint, you name it! They had it covered. Along from Pete's brilliant song-writing and guitar playing, Roger's vocals are amazing, Entwistle's basslines are gut-wrenching and killer and of course, the late Keith Moon's drum parts are out of this world even by today's standards!

The Who... simply one of the best all-around rock bands ever!
 
#7
For anyone that doesn't have it the "Kids are allright" is an awesome DVD. All the early numbers all live (well 1 mimed but it was to showcase something). I read Kieth Moons Auto-biograhy and that is what got me started when I was 20. Hadn't really listened to the Who before that and a few of my mates went to see them live, I didnt bother. Was quite bummed when I did get into them though :(
Nows my chance although the Ox will be sorely missed :(
 
#8
Alex E said:
Regarding the Ox, The Who has always been a lesser popularity for me behind the Beatles and the Stones.

That's not taking anything away from John Entwistle. However, I usually don't hear his basslines as prominently in their mixes as I do say, the Beatles, Rush, or Jamerson's classic basslines. I'm not saying Entwistle wasn't great. Obviously, he has a huge following, but for some reason, I just don't hear his work that noticeably in the few Who songs that still get airplay.

Can someone refer some "Who" songs that are their personal favs regarding the Ox's playing? One must study the greats.
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Real Me , its impossible to not hear the bass
 
#10
The_D said:
I read Kieth Moons Auto-biograhy and that is what got me started when I was 20. Hadn't really listened to the Who before that and a few of my mates went to see them live, I didnt bother. Was quite bummed when I did get into them though :(
Nows my chance although the Ox will be sorely missed :(
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Since you're in scotland, a little over 30 years ago I was doing this:

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/who-ptbin-76-glasgow.html

The Who, Alex Harvey and Little Feat on the same bill :D

They all played great and the sun shone too! (plus we had some *wicked* hash oil LOL) I don't remember any other big outdoor gigs at the time in Scotland.

Enjoy T in the park and hope for sunshine :)
 
#11
Alex E said:
not taking anything away from John Entwistle. However, I usually don't hear his basslines as prominently in their mixes as I do say, the Beatles, Rush, or Jamerson's classic basslines. I'm not saying Entwistle wasn't great. Obviously, he has a huge following, but for some reason, I just don't hear his work that noticeably in the few Who songs that still get airplay.

Can someone refer some "Who" songs that are their personal favs regarding the Ox's playing? One must study the greats.
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I'm not sure what Who songs you hear on the radio, but not being able to hear The Ox's basslines is not a common complaint :D ! He was one of the bassists who gave the bass a more prominent role in rock music, mostly by necessity. Pete Townshends guitar style was more towards rhythm and chords than lead and flash, so Entwistle often filled in the gaps.

To get an idea of his playing, to start off you may want to pick up one of the many compilation CD's. A recent one that is pretty good and spans most of the Who's career, is "My Generation". It starts with their first English hit single and follows chronologically up to "Face Dances", their second to last album. You get a good sampling of The Ox, from his in your face solo and driving bassline on "My Generation" to his more subtle solo-like line supporting the chordal break in "Substitute" along with the bass-riff driven "Happy Jack" and "Boris the Spider". "The Real Me" is essentially a bass and drums duet with some guitar and horns thrown in for seasoning!

If you want a good idea on how big a three piece band plus vocalist can sound live with no overdubs, no sequencers, no back up musicians, get the expanded remastered "Live at Leads." It's all just guitar and bass and drums (and one song with Roger Daltrey on harmonica). You can't help but hear the bass there. Start with those two and then you can figure out where to go from there. (Recommended: "Who's Next", "Quadrophenia", "Who By Numbers").
 
#12
Alex E said:
Regarding the Ox, The Who has always been a lesser popularity for me behind the Beatles and the Stones.

That's not taking anything away from John Entwistle. However, I usually don't hear his basslines as prominently in their mixes as I do say, the Beatles, Rush, or Jamerson's classic basslines. I'm not saying Entwistle wasn't great. Obviously, he has a huge following, but for some reason, I just don't hear his work that noticeably in the few Who songs that still get airplay.

Can someone refer some "Who" songs that are their personal favs regarding the Ox's playing? One must study the greats.
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try Live At Leeds and listen to the left channel... they panned the guitar & bass hard left/right, so you can have nothing but Entwistle/Moon/Vocals without all that pesky guitar :) if that ain't prominent enough we'll club together and buy you one of these (it's an ear syringe) : :) :)

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#14
Alex E said:
Can someone refer some "Who" songs that are their personal favs regarding the Ox's playing? One must study the greats.
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A small selection to get you started:
The Real Me (Quadrophenia)
Won't Get Fooled Again (Who's Next)
Magic Bus (Live at Leeds)
A Quick One While He's Away (Live at Leeds)
Going Mobile (Who's Next)
My Generation (My Generation)
Getting in Tune (Who's Next)
Slip Kid (Who by Numbers)
Substitute (Live at Leeds)

Just about any live Who album will also give the full force of The Ox.
 
#17
our work had a dvd, was john entwhistles last recorded concert with the who i think. from memory it was called live in the royal albert hall with special guests. we used it on our demonsatration tvs. pumping through our nad, energy systems that was a niiiice dvd. has possibly my favourite bass solo on it too

edit the dvd is called The Who Live at the Royal Albert Hall. It has a whole bunch of special guests on it though such as eddy vedder noel gallagher, and so on
 
#19
vindy500 said:
our work had a dvd, was john entwhistles last recorded concert with the who i think. from memory it was called live in the royal albert hall with special guests. we used it on our demonsatration tvs. pumping through our nad, energy systems that was a niiiice dvd. has possibly my favourite bass solo on it too

edit the dvd is called The Who Live at the Royal Albert Hall. It has a whole bunch of special guests on it though such as eddy vedder noel gallagher, and so on
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It might have been that Tour when my mates saw them cause they said Noel Gallagher was there. They went to the one at the SECC though.
 
#20
Noel Gallagher did a decent job on the RAH DVD. He played "Won't Get Fooled Again" almost note for note.

If you want an example of a bassline that would get you fired from most bands, check out "Bargain" from "Who's Next", especially the part during the breakdown. Most less secure musicians wouldn't let the bass player play such a line, but Pete let John do his thing.
 

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