DS9 is the most robust of the series. It had the most character development and the deepest and most layered stories. Now I hear they're bringing Sisko back, which I'm sure will be just wonderful.
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The Star Treks
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While not my favorite, I have to respect TOS for what it was and when it was. I couldn't say it's better or worse than the others, it really feels like its own thing.
Honestly, though it took a season or two to get its footing, TNG is still the one I like most. Aside from Dr. Pulaski (spl?) in Season 2, I found everyone on the main cast at least likeable in some way. There were definitely some episodes that were real stinkers peppered in, but when they had a solid script it came out fantastic.
Really wish Denise Crosby would have stayed on
Honestly, though it took a season or two to get its footing, TNG is still the one I like most. Aside from Dr. Pulaski (spl?) in Season 2, I found everyone on the main cast at least likeable in some way. There were definitely some episodes that were real stinkers peppered in, but when they had a solid script it came out fantastic.
Really wish Denise Crosby would have stayed on
I agree. As much as I like Star Trek’s Utopian optimism, I really enjoyed seeing the Federation have to navigate a slightly darker and grittier universe.
Have not checked the stats, but it was amusing enough that someone apparently has...
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Looks like it says "Star Trike" across the saucer. Not fully sure, but it makes sense LOL
She was miscast. As much as I respect Gene Roddenberry for his progressive vision, he was still a product of his time and saw female cast members as little more than eye candy.
Lt Yar was horrible as a security officer. Literally any other possible position on the ship would have been more believable.
Which is really too bad because I believe Denise Crosby had a lot of potential. I thought she did a great job when she came back as a Romulan and also as Yar in the alternate universe episode.
She did well enough with what they gave her in the first season. It didn't make sense though. What was Worf's job? He stood near her unless he was at one of the stations by the view screen with the ridiculous recliner chairs. It's like they knew the tough guy warrior should be head of security but the little blonde lady was instead so let's just keep him over there?
Yeah, his "Too many women on the bridge" rationale for making cuts. IIRC, Denise said it was either going to be her or Marina, so Denise didn't see things going much of anywhere and left.
This scene illustrates that perfectly:
Yar is trying to execute her duty aboard the Enterprise and take two Klingons into custody. She's backed up by her entire team of professional security forces, yet she acts like she's the ship's hairdresser who's suddenly, and inexplicably, found herself shoved into the job as security chief. It looks like she's about to start crying, or faint. Or maybe both.
Again, it's not the fault of Denise Crosby. She's doing her best with a lame script written by people who are clearly ignorant about how that job is supposed to work.
Once Worf took over the job, the scripts were better at representing security, but I think that's only because they used Worf's inherently violent Klingon heritage to make his position seem more realistic. The script writers still didnt understand how real security forces operate, but it just seemed like it because an angry Klingon can get away with that image, when a beautiful blond woman can't.
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The female "security chief" concept in Star Trek is interesting to me because I believe it exemplifies a problem that progressive shows encounter when they're trying to bring some diversity to their characters. It takes a lot of really imaginative thinking and hard work to create a believeable character of some kind of non stereotype diversity, without compromising them by making them a "token" character.
Tasha Yar was a noble attempt to create a female security Chief where everybody expects the stereotype tough guy, but it seems to me that tge character and her back story were mere afterthoughts to their primary objective, which was to find some beautiful blond actress to plug into the part.
I think that The Orville (yes, I know it's not Star Trek) benefits greatly from having decades of Star Trek franchises to learn from on what mistakes to avoid when building characters. Theyve had two different security chiefs on the show (Alara Kitan in S1 & S2, Talla Keyali in S3) and both of them were attractive women with similar backstories. Aside from being female, they're both very much like Worf's character from STTNG in that they're all humanoid aliens with superhuman strength and physically and mentally aggressive and domineering attitudes.
Similarly, The Orville has also learned that it might make for better storytelling if they didn't have these virtually magical devices like transporters at hand to save the day in a typical "deus ex machina" miracle ending.
Tasha Yar was a noble attempt to create a female security Chief where everybody expects the stereotype tough guy, but it seems to me that tge character and her back story were mere afterthoughts to their primary objective, which was to find some beautiful blond actress to plug into the part.
I think that The Orville (yes, I know it's not Star Trek) benefits greatly from having decades of Star Trek franchises to learn from on what mistakes to avoid when building characters. Theyve had two different security chiefs on the show (Alara Kitan in S1 & S2, Talla Keyali in S3) and both of them were attractive women with similar backstories. Aside from being female, they're both very much like Worf's character from STTNG in that they're all humanoid aliens with superhuman strength and physically and mentally aggressive and domineering attitudes.
Similarly, The Orville has also learned that it might make for better storytelling if they didn't have these virtually magical devices like transporters at hand to save the day in a typical "deus ex machina" miracle ending.
Lots of good stuff on this guy's channel if you want some laughs.
TOS is still my favourite series, but DSS9 is a good one for sure.
And both series only have one episode I really don't like watching--the other series have more...
Yup, agreed. We are currently watching Voyager and we're in the second season. It's not half as good. There's been several horrible episodes already (going warp 10 and turning into newts, having kids, then magically turning back into humans comes to mind). We are also watching The Orville. They copied several original episodes in the first season. And it feels like it was written by 14 year old boys. But it's mildly entertaining, despite that.
I'd describe Voyager as the most uneven of all series; some real stinkers, but then occasionally a real good one.
I'm told that the first season was not that good, and after seeing it up to episode 11 (I think), I have to agree. There was one or two shows that I'd consider good, a bunch that were just OK, and a few that were really bad. But overall, we keep watching, so I guess as a whole, I'm going to say I like it. I like that there's no transporter and they have to use the shuttles to get off the ship. Not a big fan of that robot guy. And I'm not a big fan of the juvenile theme that seems to run through every show. But like I said, overall, it's mildly entertaining.
The last season of Orville steered away from the juvenile humor (not completely) and was a very decent science fiction show. A little preachy in places, but YMMV....
