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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

#22,441
Sushi Box FX said:
Premier Guitar just dropped their Nothing But Bass ebook, and the ad on page 16 looks super obnoxious.

digital.premierguitar.com

Digital Press - Nothing But Bass Vol. 25

The StingRay Story: Ernie Ball Music Man’s Iconic Instrument Emerging Bassists Spotlight Remembering Phil Lesh And More Low-End Highs
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I can’t see it. It’s behind a paywall. Can you screenshot it?
 
#22,442
mrperkolator said:
I can’t see it. It’s behind a paywall. Can you screenshot it?
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havnjero said:
with that said, here are two interesting infographics I came across on a hifi forum:
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Thanks for posting, saved both.

Must say I'm a late convert to to the 12AU7 family, I like a little break up, but not to the point it gets "fizzy" like 12AX7s do. I much prefer the break up of a power tube section with a loan gain pre to drive it.

I'm considering rolling in an AU in the pre-amp section of the Ampeg PF50T, it would be nice to see how that set up reacts to being pushed by my Brimar 13D5 equipped Space Heater.
 
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GR7G5TER said:
Thanks for posting, saved both.

Must say I'm a late convert to to the 12AU7 family, I like a little break up, but not to the point it gets "fizzy" like 12AX7s do. I much prefer the break up of a power tube section with a loan gain pre to drive it.

I'm considering rolling in an AU in the pre-amp section of the Ampeg PF50T, it would be nice to see how that set up reacts to being pushed by my Brimar 13D5 equipped Space Heater.
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I'd be interested to hear how that goes. The PF-50T has a 12AU7 in the power tube section, if I'm remembering the manual correctly. I'm not sure quite how that works, but it sounds good. I've been thinking of trying some 5751s in place of the 12AX7s in the preamp on that one. I settled on a 5751 in my Smoke Signal and love what that does for the edge of breakup into breakup.
 
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My rhythm guitarist has been wanting to find an ampless direct solution for smaller venues. He tried a multi (BOSS) and didn’t like it at all. I understand. He was then thinking use pedalboard and a Radial.
We told him he’ll need some kind of preamp or amp in box pedal. He agreed and has decided on a Strymon Iridium, which looks great.
My question after reading guitar forums and folks using these and Helix, other multis, direct live, why do more guitar players not opt for something like the Sushibox Finally? From what I saw, most use just a Radial or other simple DI.

My guy has a Radial pro, but I told him he could give my Finally a try to see if he likes it better. Be interesting to see what he thinks.
 
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GR7G5TER said:
Thanks for posting, saved both.

Must say I'm a late convert to to the 12AU7 family, I like a little break up, but not to the point it gets "fizzy" like 12AX7s do. I much prefer the break up of a power tube section with a loan gain pre to drive it.

I'm considering rolling in an AU in the pre-amp section of the Ampeg PF50T, it would be nice to see how that set up reacts to being pushed by my Brimar 13D5 equipped Space Heater.
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A 12AU7 sounds fantastic in V1 of my PF50T, but a 12DW7 will get you the similar results at much higher volume (which is what I currently have in V1)
 
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Parzival said:
My rhythm guitarist has been wanting to find an ampless direct solution for smaller venues. He tried a multi (BOSS) and didn’t like it at all. I understand. He was then thinking use pedalboard and a Radial.
We told him he’ll need some kind of preamp or amp in box pedal. He agreed and has decided on a Strymon Iridium, which looks great.
My question after reading guitar forums and folks using these and Helix, other multis, direct live, why do more guitar players not opt for something like the Sushibox Finally? From what I saw, most use just a Radial or other simple DI.

My guy has a Radial pro, but I told him he could give my Finally a try to see if he likes it better. Be interesting to see what he thinks.
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I have to say, I have A LOT of people that tell me they use their Finally with a modeler, and I see a lot of pictures of pedalboards with a modeler and a Finally. It's not super mainstream because I'm not super mainstream, but people are doing it and liking it.
 
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Parzival said:
My rhythm guitarist has been wanting to find an ampless direct solution for smaller venues. He tried a multi (BOSS) and didn’t like it at all. I understand. He was then thinking use pedalboard and a Radial.
We told him he’ll need some kind of preamp or amp in box pedal. He agreed and has decided on a Strymon Iridium, which looks great.
My question after reading guitar forums and folks using these and Helix, other multis, direct live, why do more guitar players not opt for something like the Sushibox Finally? From what I saw, most use just a Radial or other simple DI.

My guy has a Radial pro, but I told him he could give my Finally a try to see if he likes it better. Be interesting to see what he thinks.
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I get the impression that lots of people using modellers and all in one preamp pedals like the iridium see it as a complete solution, and that the DI box is purely to get that signal down the line to the desk. I guess once you've got lots of overdrive and effects on a sound, the benefits of using a really nice Di start to diminish. Having said that, I lent my finally to a guitar player for a theatre show a few months ago when he was having issues with phantom power from the house desk and he was saying how much more he liked it.
Probably a gradual one by one method of converting those guys.
 
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Sushi Box FX said:
I apologize, I saw your email and had every intention to get back to you, but I've had a hell of a week followed by a hell of a weekend. I slept until 3PM today and feel a lot better, so I'm trying to catch up. I typically recommend 9V supplies because there are a lot more of them out there and they can be had pretty cheap. Also since the high voltage is regulated internally so the tube will see the same high voltage regardless of the input voltage.

As such I don't have a specific 12V supply that I recommend, I would just recommend a bare minimum of 500mA, make sure it's good for a 2.1mm pin and make sure it's center-negative polarity.

With regards to your gain factor vs current draw question, there is a correlation between high gain factors and low plate draw, but typically the main instance you want high plate current is when you're using the tube stage to drive a load, which is not something I do much in my preamps. Because of how the circuits are set up there should not be much difference in current draw between different tube types. It should also be noted that the highest current draw in a preamp tube is going to be the heater, which is fairly consistent between all 12A*7 tube types. Plate current draw refers to the amount of current being pulled from the high voltage rail, and the difference in pull between 12AX7 and 12AU7 is only 28mA. This gets scaled a bit between the high voltage rail and the input voltage rail, but we don't need to get too far into the math there. Any of my preamps that were designed to use a 12AX7 (which is the majority of them) can use a 12AU7 without modification and will not be damaged as a result.
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If you roll an AX7 for an AU7 does the overall pedal volume reduce?
 
#22,456
Parzival said:
My question after reading guitar forums and folks using these and Helix, other multis, direct live, why do more guitar players not opt for something like the Sushibox Finally?
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If I was guitar player looking for a high quality DI, viewing the Finally's web page may discourage me from purchasing one. With Bass In Mind, a non variable hpf set at 90hz, and copy that leans heavily towards Phillip Mann having a hand in its development implies that it was designed for bass. There is zero mention that it would be beneficial for guitarists as well.

Guitarists may only opt for a something like the Finally if they have a bassist friend willing to let them try it out. If they like it, they'll spread the the word. That's called abstraction. There's no direct route to the information. Dots need to be connected before they get their hands on one. That's my take on why he Finally hasn't been more widely adopted by our 6 string partners.
 
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Rick Penrose said:
If you roll an AX7 for an AU7 does the overall pedal volume reduce?
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It does. The AU has a fifth of the gain factor of the AX. There's a great chart that has been posted here several times that shows the relative gain factor of the 12A*7 tube family. You will definitely need to turn up the gain and volume with a 12AU7, with the pleasing result of more tube presence without breakup. Some of the pedals have an internal trim pot that can be adjusted as well, but I haven't tried that yet, so I can't speak to it.
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HueyFreeman said:
If I was guitar player looking for a high quality DI, viewing the Finally's web page may discourage me from purchasing one. With Bass In Mind, a non variable hpf set at 90hz, and copy that leans heavily towards Phillip Mann having a hand in its development implies that it was designed for bass. There is zero mention that it would be beneficial for guitarists as well.

Guitarists may only opt for a something like the Finally if they have a bassist friend willing to let them try it out. If they like it, they'll spread the the word. That's called abstraction. There's no direct route to the information. Dots need to be connected before they get their hands on one. That's my take on why he Finally hasn't been more widely adopted by our 6 string partners.
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I fully agree with that point, it might be better if it said with extended range for Bass, Lead and Keys or something similar.

The one I find annoying is the Detective, the explanation when you click on that pedal describes it as a mix of the Elementary and Dr Watson.
The Dr Watson is no longer made so you have to go looking in the archives to work out what the pedal does, many people would never go that far.

In my opinion it should say "based on #### " under each pedal even on the home page so it stands out more what the pedals are about.
That's obviously just my point of view but what good is a shop window if you can't easily see inside clearly.
Cheers
Mick
 
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Yeah.., I'm not here to rip into Nathan's site. Just sharing my two cents on why guitarists haven't picked up on the F2. It's a product built With Bass in Mind. What could one expect?

Nathan is a Father..
Has a day iob..
Has a night job (two when considering C2CE)..
Has ambitions that he acts upon..

..all to which he attends to daily.

He's a great example to the power of the human spirit. We should be thankful about his accomplishments and what he shares. Not annoyed.
 
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