My UA and Venus Z both sound amazing for guitar. Problem with using a finally as a DI is you really do need a cab sim for guitar if you're going direct (unless you're totally clean, in which case you might be fine), and you'd want that last in your chain typically.
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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society
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Note though that it's not just a matter of gain, the character of the breakup and tone of the tube in general, also is different between the different types/variations of preamp tubes.
Personally I prefer 12AX7, the lower gain tube types tend to result in a softer/rounder/warmer tone in comparison, that in my opinion and according to my personal taste generally lacks edge and articulation.
If that is for me then you have misunderstood me, I love what Nathan does.
The part that I find annoying about is that the Detective gives a reference to another pedal whose name does not reflect what it is, and it is no longer made.
I feel it would be simpler and more informative to just state what it is a clone of in the first place, but I have only found the Sushi and C2CE sites this year.
Anyone who has followed Nathans progress longer might be familiar with his older pedals but as a "new" fan it can be a little bit hard to get the understanding and feel for what his pedals actually do.
I was mainly stating how I felt when I first found the SB site, it took a fair amount of time to understand what each pedal actually did since I had to search for information a bit all over the place for some of the pedals. Some were easy since they state what they are based on.
I think many people will skip over websites that are not easy to understand within a few seconds, you need the juicy bait out front to pull them in at first glance.
I really love the fact that he makes pedals for sale as well as providing PCB's and instructions for DIY pedal builders like myself, I have most of the C2CE PCB's ready to build and I can't wait to start very soon.( I have had a break from the soldering iron for some time for various reasons )
Cheers
Mick
This was a question I got a lot when I was at NAMM, "is there a guitar version?" The answer I gave every time is that I didn't think a guitar version was necessary. If a pedal was designed for guitar it usually sounds bad on bass as they filter out the low frequencies that we need. But if it was designed for bass, it usually works great on guitar since we don't usually filter out the mids and highs that guitarists want, we just keep the lows in as well.
Guitar pedals often exclude bassists, but bass pedals don't exclude guitarists. I will continue to design and market specifically for bassists because that's what I want to do. I admittedly still play more guitar than bass, but every single pedal I've designed for bass works amazingly well on my guitar rig without modification. I will always be happy to work with guitarists, and will continue to test every pedal to ensure it works well on guitar, but my focus will always be bass.
Maybe I'll add a blurb on the FAQ to that effect.
That's a good note, I can certainly change the verbiage on that description. The Detective was released when Dr. Wattson was still available for sale and the page was never updated when I discontinued it.
I will freely admit I don't spend a lot of time keeping the website updated and organized. I do my best to keep it more or less running smoothly, but it could of course be better.
As noted I keep busy, as I enjoy being busy. My day job is means to an end, it pays the bills and puts food on the table. Conspiracy to Commit is enjoyable, but I mostly do it because I feel like I owe the DIY community a lot and want to give back in some way, it's not a huge source of income. Sushi Box is my passion. I will spend as much time as I can on it because I enjoy it so much.
I had a conversation with another pedal maker last year and he made a comment to the effect of "I've accepted that I'll never be James Bond, but at least I can be Q." That really resonated with me because from the time I first picked up the guitar I wanted to be a rockstar. I've obviously accepted that won't happen, but I'm thrilled that I've still found a way to equip rockstars with great sounding gear, and I will never get tired of seeing my pedals on stages around the world (37 countries when I last checked).
That being said, my family is everything. If Sushi Box ever got in the way of my family, that would be the end of Sushi Box. My wife has been busy lately and hasn't built in a while, but about half of the soldering on the Tarantula Fuzzes was done by her. When new shipments of parts and supplies come in, they are unboxed and organized by my kids. The vast majority of the bottom plates of pedals are screwed in by my youngest, who for some reason thinks "screwing pedals" is the most fun thing to do. Obviously all the design work and most of the actual building is done by me, but it's not so much a "one-man-shop" as a "one man, one woman, and three girls" shop.
On that note, I'll be out of town this weekend for the American thanksgiving holiday, so any orders placed as of last night after the post office closed will be shipped Monday.
While I fully agree with this, I am pretty certain that a pedal marketed specifically for bass, or even just with bass in the name, will scare away less knowledgeable guitarists from even considering it.
That is precisely how I feel as well. In my opinion, the 12AU7 works fine in the Finally for bass (and only bass) if (and only if) you want something very "round" sounding and are ok with losing some of the texture and articulation in its detail. For clean or "fat" bass sounds that's perfect, but I find it completely unacceptable for guitar or synths.
That's why I personally like a 5751, it takes off just a bit of the edge that a 12AX7 has without rounding-off any detail or texture.
If my effects/processing chain(s) sent an unusually hot signal to a Finally that was pushing a 5751 into non-linear/distortion against my wishes, I'd step down from a 5751 to a 12AY7, but never a 12AU7. In my testing (and to my ear) a 12AY7 in a Finally gives me almost as much "headroom" as a 12AU7, but with noticeably less rounding-off or smoothing-over of the detail/articulation...
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@Rev_Slinky The AU in the peg is there to drive the power tubes (I'm not going to pretend i understand how it works precisely) The AXs are in V1 and V2, V1 being the preamp tube and V2 being for the EQ (don't quote me on this!)
Below is the answer we're looking for.
Thanks @LSM07 I'll defo try out the AU, the DW7 sounds interesting, I might purchase one for ***** and giggles when I order the other. I'll be stoked compare the SBVTII to the peg when it's released.
@Sushi Box FX (happy thanks giving!) would the Space Heater take a 12DW7 or am I gonna fry something if roll one in?
@RobD_BritBass I've embraced wrapping my HX Stomp in tubey goodness. I have a Space Heater up front, through the Stomp and then out in More and takes the Stomp from being a greater Modeller/FX pedal to the best tone I have heard me play through. This set up also lets me amp a Cab Sim post More for the DI out.
I totly get your point that guitarists tend to view DI as utility pedal rather than adding to your tone and Cab Sim point is very valid. I think Nathan took on board the suggestion i made of adding an effects loop post preamp, pre DI for the SBVTII. There was some conversation around adding a Cab Sim to pedal but if i remember correctly the consensus was that the increase in price wasn't really worth it as a) one would be better off putting the extra cost towards a dedicated cab sim module and b) that if it was installed it would a basic unit, which could be potentially be off putting if it wasn't the cab you wanted.
I could imagine that a board with a tuner, SBVTII and a cab sim for some would be all board they would ever need.
An FX loop to facilitate adding this in is a god send IMO and I'm surprised more of the main stream manufacturers don't include this. Adding this to finally. would be a great addition to the pedal but I doubt there is the space to do it and you wouldn't want to spoil that form factor. The finally is a thing of beauty.
I've used a couple of pedals with built in cab sims in the past and never been satisfied with the result.
Firstly, enjoy your time away very much well deserved and needed
I would 100% add that to WBIM page.
Whilst we're all seem to giving out free advice
my tuppence: I couldn't see any social media links one the website or indeed a link to this thread.My journey to Sushi addiction was buying 2nd hand pedal that the seller had recorded clips for about 4 years ago, SBFX hadn't hit my radar until then, this thread really turned up the G.A.S, I probably wouldn't have understood the Space Heater or the More and why i needed them without this thread. I went back and read it from the beginning! Now I have More and SH and couldn't even to begin thinking about replacing them and my next 2 or 3 major pedal will be Sushi Box FX.
I think to some degree we may take this thread for granted. It amazing having access to the designer and producer of such fine pedals and fully understanding a pedals development and journey to market is a powerful marketing tool and maybe we should all be making more of the quality of pedals and service on social media.
You are 100% a Rock Star
dude!
what would be the PREMIERE SUSHI BOX Preamp pedal to use with the Two Notes Opus for DynIR and XLR Balanced output?
OR, is there a Sushi Box preamp with XLR and 1/4" output that sounds great without a cab IR?
OR, is there a Sushi Box preamp with XLR and 1/4" output that sounds great without a cab IR?
Having followed this thread for a couple of years and owning/playing/enjoying several (currently 4) sushi boxes, the idiosyncratic names and gaps in the web site are all fine with me. The sound, quality, innovation and refreshingly quirky nature of the whole "sushi thang" deliver the goods and make me smile. In the context of an increasingly cold, chaotic, corrupt, corporate world tragically dominated by fake news and decerebrate, navel-gazing twits, this island feels guuuuud, in the full-on James Brown sense of the word.
All of the sounds clips I've heard so far the Grand Slampegg sounds amazing.
The finally is an awesome DI and doesn't need a Cab for good tone.
Yep, because a 12AU7 has two gain stages that each only amplify at 17mu, while the 12DW7 has one stage amplifying at 17mu and one amplifying at 100mu...
The 12DW7 is a dual-triode tube that is compliant with the standard B9A socket. It'll function perfectly fine and safely in a Sushi Box pedal like the Space Heater.
The Space Heater of course just has one socket (V1), but two gain stages; because all the 12__7 tubes have two triodes (aka gain stages) in them.
The 12DW7 just happens to have two different triodes in it... one triode is a 12AX7, the other is a 12AU7.
Since I don't know exactly which triode is wired to what in a Space Heater, I can't say exactly what effect a 12DW7 would have; but as it has two knobs (Gain and Level)... basically one would act like it does with a 12AX7 in it, while the other knob would react as it would with a 12AU7 in it (i.e. you'll have to turn it a lot farther to get as much output).
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i use one in a finally. works as any 12a_7 tube in any sushi pedal would.
have at it.
People who harbor ignorance will always miss out on life. You can’t fix this.
As noted above, it will be fine.
Grand Slampegg is probably the front runner right now, but I would also recommend Venus Z. Those two are probably the closest thing I have to "premiere" at the moment.
Uuugh thanks y'all now I have another type of tube I need to rolli use one in a finally. works as any 12a_7 tube in any sushi pedal would.
have at it.
It does, but by putting the Finally finally for guitar you'd likely be adding some of those higher frequencies back onto your signal if the Finally tube gets pushed at all. I'd bet that I might want a LPF after it. I think if they're using the Iridium and want toobiness, then adding something like the UA earlier in the signal chain would be the way to go.
I’m just going to let him give it a try and see if he likes it, then he can go from there. I’ll throw out the trying tube box before idea as well, which he could also test with the Finally using the 1/4 out.
If you order a 12DW tube from JJ its called an ECC832 tube (12AX7-12AU7)Uuugh thanks y'all now I have another type of tube I need to roll
Just make sure you don't order the ECC823 by mistake because that is the opposite. (12AU7-12AX7)
ops......is that another tube you might want now.
