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The Triangle - three sides to gig happiness

After a few thousand gigs, years ago I came up with what I call The Gig Triangle.
The three sides to my gig triangle are:
  • Great Music
  • Great Money
  • Great Audience
Basically I want to judge whether a gig or band is worth my time.
If a date has all three sides, it is a wonderful gig. Count me in!
If a date is missing all three sides, I'm not available on the next call.
Nice and simple.

My conclusion is if even one side of the triangle is good, it's worth showing up.
If each side is weak or absent, I should pass. I don't need the money, the music and playing the bass is what I love.

Played a date last night with the worst band ever. Lousiest in the last 200 gigs.
The tune choices were s***. Achy Breaky Heart, Guitar Boogie, Spanish Eyes, on and on. I gotta vent about this one...

The drummer was soooo frick'n loud, especially with the bass drum. The guitarist's lower strings were way louder than me! The sax player played without the mic through all this haha! Guest girl singer who actually was pretty good did not have a chance with these clowns. When she sang they played just as loud as if they were taking a solo. She had not rehearsed or sang with the band, all done cold on the stage. She was on the stage all night, poor thing. The sax player sang a bunch of tunes she did. Then she would sing the same thing AFTER him in the tune. This guy can hardly sing! He just had to sing cause he always does.

The band leader insulted my new $9500 bass, said the old one sounded better. I responded with 'you won't see it again'. He might of thought I meant I'd bring a dif bass next time. The guitarist insulted me by bragging about some jazz gig he plays with an awesome pianist. I ask who they use on bass and he says 'we don't want a bass it conflicts with the piano'. Wt****. This from a pro musician who also taught guitar at the college level. But he can't figure out how to back up a singer. Damn this was almost the gig from Hell!

This gig had crap musicians and low money ($90). The audience was ok. The only thing that made this gig almost worth doing was dinner/drinks included. And I won a door prize haha. The band leader gave me a raffle ticket, they gave away 20 gifts and I won a box of turtles. Got home and my wife said Yahoo! I made myself a stiff cocktail.

I play 50 to 100 paid gigs a year with a huge variety of musicians. Never rehearse with anybody. If you need a rehearsal or early set up you pay extra. Just show up and play the gig. Done this since the early '70's. I practice, but with myself one or two hours a day. I have regular groups I play with but often just freelance with who ever calls. Bass for hire electric or acoustic. My triangle developed after playing dates where I should of stayed home. Have to judge this somehow and the triangle works.

How do you do it?

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I think you have the basics right in your triangle. Have done great music onstage to an unwilling audience, or played lousy to a great audience. Money is money, seems like I still get the same $75-100 per gig over the last 40 years.

I've doubled as a bassist and it is interesting to catch the dynamic of the group, or lack therein. The Jazz gigs usually offer better musicians but not always. Some of the worst are singer/songwriter without much stage experience. They tend to wither under the unsupporting eye of a curious audience.

I think we do this thing because it is problem solving 101 and making it work to whatever degree is fulfilling.
 
Money is the fuel and lubricant for the machine that is a band. Any band not taking in cash is on a timer until the wheels fall off.

And I think being a professional means being able to separate playing crappy music from your emotions. It's a level of discipline involved in putting in the time for something that you don't have any real interest in. sometimes that in and of an exercise itself can be rewarding.
 
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Hi Mr. @CaseyVancouver,

It's been mentioned here before, and I subscribe to this two-out-of-three scenario. I guess it's very similar to yours.

1. Good musicians (friends)
2. Good hang (audience/food/drinks/amenities)
3. Good money

If the gig has all three, perfect! If the gig has two out of three, I'd probably do it. Any less than that, no thanks.

Sometimes I don't mind playing with good friends for not a lot of money, even if they are not the best musicians, just because it's fun.

Sometimes I will overlook certain personalities just because they are great musicians and it's fun making great music, as long as the money is decent.

When someone I don't know calls me for a $125 bar gig, I'll turn them down. I'd rather spend that time with my family at home.

If one of my friends calls me for a $100, heck even a $75 bar gig (depending on how close), I'll usually take it because I know it will be a blast.

The audience is usually not a significant determining factor, although I love playing for large lively audiences. I've also played for large audiences that looked like a painting, or like dead people smoking. The least paying regular gig I do is at a really nice club with a great audience, usually around 400-500, that really has their fun. But we get great food and drinks also. So I don't mind the average money, even for four sets.

I've been doing this for a while too and have gotten a bit more discriminating in my old age. ;)

Feel free to check out my gig blog.... basscliffgigs.blogspot.com , I think I'm all caught up except for last weekend. This is the aforementioned nice club that pays average. :)


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
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After a few thousand gigs, years ago I came up with what I call The Gig Triangle.
The three sides to my gig triangle are:
  • Great Music
  • Great Money
  • Great Audience
Basically I want to judge whether a gig or band is worth my time.
If a date has all three sides, it is a wonderful gig. Count me in!
If a date is missing all three sides, I'm not available on the next call.
Nice and simple.

My conclusion is if even one side of the triangle is good, it's worth showing up.
If each side is weak or absent, I should pass. I don't need the money, the music and playing the bass is what I love.

Played a date last night with the worst band ever. Lousiest in the last 200 gigs.
The tune choices were s***. Achy Breaky Heart, Guitar Boogie, Spanish Eyes, on and on. I gotta vent about this one...

The drummer was soooo frick'n loud, especially with the bass drum. The guitarist's lower strings were way louder than me! The sax player played without the mic through all this haha! Guest girl singer who actually was pretty good did not have a chance with these clowns. When she sang they played just as loud as if they were taking a solo. She had not rehearsed or sang with the band, all done cold on the stage. She was on the stage all night, poor thing. The sax player sang a bunch of tunes she did. Then she would sing the same thing AFTER him in the tune. This guy can hardly sing! He just had to sing cause he always does.

The band leader insulted my new $9500 bass, said the old one sounded better. I responded with 'you won't see it again'. He might of thought I meant I'd bring a dif bass next time. The guitarist insulted me by bragging about some jazz gig he plays with an awesome pianist. I ask who they use on bass and he says 'we don't want a bass it conflicts with the piano'. Wt****. This from a pro musician who also taught guitar at the college level. But he can't figure out how to back up a singer. Damn this was almost the gig from Hell!

This gig had crap musicians and low money ($90). The audience was ok. The only thing that made this gig almost worth doing was dinner/drinks included. And I won a door prize haha. The band leader gave me a raffle ticket, they gave away 20 gifts and I won a box of turtles. Got home and my wife said Yahoo! I made myself a stiff cocktail.

I play 50 to 100 paid gigs a year with a huge variety of musicians. Never rehearse with anybody. If you need a rehearsal or early set up you pay extra. Just show up and play the gig. Done this since the early '70's. I practice, but with myself one or two hours a day. I have regular groups I play with but often just freelance with who ever calls. Bass for hire electric or acoustic. My triangle developed after playing dates where I should of stayed home. Have to judge this somehow and the triangle works.

How do you do it?

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The TB trinity I have observed is similar, the only difference is the hang vs the audience. I've taken that to mean you have to at least like your bandmates if the music sucks and earns you little or no green.
 
Even if the money is good, I would have a hard time continuing with a group if the music isn't gratifying. 2/3's is what I lean toward.

I avoid dysfunctional groups, so I would be inclined to include group chemistry as part of the OP's audience component.
 
Ya know, you're right. I should give up on playing these pesky things with 4 strings that can be out of tune and are hard to fit in the car, and just take up one of these, which is always in tune and does not depend on me putting my fingers just so.

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Hi Mr. @CaseyVancouver,

It's been mentioned here before, and I subscribe to this two-out-of-three scenario. I guess it's very similar to yours.

1. Good musicians (friends)
2. Good hang (audience/food/drinks/amenities)
3. Good money

If the gig has all three, perfect! If the gig has two out of three, I'd probably do it. Any less than that, no thanks.

Sometimes I don't mind playing with good friends for not a lot of money, even if they are not the best musicians, just because it's fun.

Sometimes I will overlook certain personalities just because they are great musicians and it's fun making great music, as long as the money is decent.

When someone I don't know calls me for a $125 bar gig, I'll turn them down. I'd rather spend that time with my family at home.

If one of my friends calls me for a $100, heck even a $75 bar gig (depending on how close), I'll usually take it because I know it will be a blast.

The audience is usually not a significant determining factor, although I love playing for large lively audiences. I've also played for large audiences that looked like a painting, or like dead people smoking. The least paying regular gig I do is at a really nice club with a great audience, usually around 400-500, that really has their fun. But we get great food and drinks also. So I don't mind the average money, even for four sets.

I've been doing this for a while too and have gotten a bit more discriminating in my old age. ;)

Feel free to check out my gig blog.... basscliffgigs.blogspot.com , I think I'm all caught up except for last weekend. This is the aforementioned nice club that pays average. :)


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff


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Hi,

What makes a "good" gig, and helps me decide to take it?

  • Great Music
  • Great Money
  • Great Audience

I would say #3 is the part of the original "Good Hang", meaning great crowd, playing with good friends, being served good gig food, etc.

1. Good music.
2. Good money.
3. Good hang.

3/3, is just about the perfect gig. 2/3, is a really good gig. 1/3, that one thing has to be really outstanding to offset the lack of the other two. 0/3 and I'm not taking the gig, thank you very much.

Playing in a cover band sounds like a nightmare. My triangle would have to include "original music only."

Seriously where is the integrity in being a human jukebox?

And there it is. I've found that #2 is rarely a factor if #1 involves "original" music. When I was playing in original bands, #3 was always there.

That being said, I would think that this "original music" requirement would fall under the first category (Good music) if this was one's top priority. It's not necessarily a separate part of the "gig triad".

If you'd like to participate in the "cover band vs. original band" discussion, there are many such threads available.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff