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Thinking of building effects...

#21
More pedals with crossover control from the clean signal to the wet signal. Maybe something like an octave pedal with a chorus in the second chain, so you can modulate the lower note and provide an octave up, or vice versa. Many interesting things could be done with crossovers and blending, and I'm sure pros would appreciate not having to carry the extra crossover gear and two or three different signal chains, or at least an alternative to that.
 
#23
not everything is muff based though... else we would have muff clones everywhere and no variety of fuzz pedals (which isn't true... bassfuzz.com can show you that) oh and just out of reference, TZ-2 fuzz which I like is NOT a muff based clone :)

my problem is the only way to get the tones of all of the pro players I like out there is that they all use bi or tri amping or blends or ridiculously complex setups... (Tim commerford, Justin chancellor, Dirk lance [ex incubus] etc etc)

I think more should be done to include blends on distortions/fuzzes :)

like the idea of a square wave generator!
 
#24
Oooh! A Turbo Rat clone with a bass boost and clean blend, to allow Justin-Chancellor-esque Rattiness without needing a clean blend pedal and an EQ pedal as well as your Rat.
 
#25
kaputsport said:
I was thinking about making a dirt box, which has a crossover on it. Below your determind setting, all clean... Above, all dirt. Nothing like that has been done.
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I like that idea, it may be more subtle than the usual clean blend. Somehow clean blends sound strange to me. What if there was also a loop for the low end signal? That way you could combine say a Blueberry on the low end with whatever on the top. Or you could make a crossover blender.
 
#28
theunknowndude said:
not everything is muff based though... else we would have muff clones everywhere and no variety of fuzz pedals (which isn't true... bassfuzz.com can show you that) oh and just out of reference, TZ-2 fuzz which I like is NOT a muff based clone :)

my problem is the only way to get the tones of all of the pro players I like out there is that they all use bi or tri amping or blends or ridiculously complex setups... (Tim commerford, Justin chancellor, Dirk lance [ex incubus] etc etc)

I think more should be done to include blends on distortions/fuzzes :)

like the idea of a square wave generator!
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The square wave is completed in theory. Now we have to fine tune it.

The Low Pass/High Pass idea is coming along.

We plan on getting 5 effects together, Probably a few guitar, and a few bass effects together, and ready for sale in January. The idea with us, was to allow Guitar pedals to work with bass, and vice versa, but market some specifically for one or the other. My guitarist isn't really into fuzz, so most of the fuzz boxes are geared towards bass.

I received word, that we stumbled upon the Animato pedal, or a close clone. We are going to test and retest, review and tweek some things. Next up, Tim Commerfords tone... Hopefully.

Most are just an exercise to see how to manipulate the pedal... Then implimentation, and design.

We will see. Keep the ideas coming. I'll forward the post to my Brother (Guitarist) so he can read the responses.
 
#31
I am the other guy, Kaputsport's brother. i play guitar mostly, but have played bass as well most of my life. In fact, my first real gig was playing bass in a cover band. Did that for 10 years. Anyway, I like all the ideas so far. I've wanted to make pedals for years, and it is finally in the cards. I went to Vo-tech in high school for electronics technology, but that was over 15 years ago. I've always modded pedals and amps, but never really designed anything. The first pedals will be dirt, as they are the easiest to start with. I came up with a cool bass overdrive this weekend. It was based off of the MXR distortion +, and the DOD 250 overdrive. Those two circuits are virtually the same, but with different values in different sections. I basically built the circuit, and then voiced it for bass. it has real low-end, it's not fizzy, and sounds good so far. The voicing is comparable to the animato, but with a hair less than 1/4 the gain, but plays deep. The low b on Kaput's pedulla really came through good. next up is the square wave circuit we fiddled with on Friday. Had a really cool sound, but only half of it was working. In time I will touch on all of the ideas posted here, some of them are really good. I'm bored with the standards, time to create something new. Like how about an envelope that goes backwards? Or a mutron that goes backwards? Or multiple envelope at once? And finally, the triamp in a box. Blend three chains in one pedal. Split the signal cleanly, and have it go through three loops, and come back and blend them. Basically, it would be a footswitchable mixer, but for effects loops. Lots of research to do, and prototypes to make. Oh the possibilities! Time to get to work.
 
#32
rjohns1 said:
I'm bored with the standards, time to create something new. Like how about an envelope that goes backwards? Or a mutron that goes backwards? Or multiple envelope at once? And finally, the triamp in a box. Blend three chains in one pedal. Split the signal cleanly, and have it go through three loops, and come back and blend them. Basically, it would be a footswitchable mixer, but for effects loops. Lots of research to do, and prototypes to make. Oh the possibilities! Time to get to work.
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What do you mean by an 'envelope that goes backwards', just an envelope that sweeps down instead of up? The Mutron and most other filters do this.
 
#33
I think he was referring to a reverse envelope. Rather than hard pick attack effecting low to high or high to low, one that goes from one realm to another, like a sweeping crossover. Eliminating all frequencies as the sweep moves, or rather an envelope that is more of a moving ever changing bandpass crossover...

I'll find out more. As for the "copy" pedals. These are more to get our feet wet, and make something different based off of what is around now, and then when we understand more about it, we will move on to our own designs.

Trust me. We are not in it to be a copy box. We need to start somewhere. I have tons of ideas, but no knowledge to make them. We will have a few unique ideas coming to the table.

The square wave generator is amazing, even when only half of it was working. It was awesome. More to come.
 
#34
kaputsport said:
I was thinking about making a dirt box, which has a crossover on it. Below your determind setting, all clean... Above, all dirt. Nothing like that has been done.
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Damn it, that is essentially an idea I had for a pedal I was thinking of building this winter/next spring when/if I start my own little building thing. I had been keeping quiet about it so that no one put it out before me :ninja:
 
#35
bigchiefbc said:
Damn it, that is essentially an idea I had for a pedal I was thinking of building this winter/next spring when/if I start my own little building thing. I had been keeping quiet about it so that no one put it out before me :ninja:
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You're not the only one. I still might do it, but I was working on an OD pedal that had low and high pass filters that are blendable. Not exactly the same thing but the ideas are already out there.

I wouldn't try to nail someone's tone in a pedal. That's just not going to happen. Try something more creative. But I'm anti copying peoples' tone so I hate when other players try to do that.

Do something original, be creative. Don't follow the herd.
 
#36
This is within CUP rules, but please be wary it doesn't turn into a for-sale thread. Please PM me if you have any questions.

CUP:
--Threads may be created in order to solicit user input and opinions regarding a product in development. Any abuse of this exception will not be tolerated.
 
#40
Instead of the crossover dirt pedal, wouldn't a crossover effects loop be easier to build, and more practical since it would allow the user to insert whatever dirt pedal they wanted into the loop and still retain their lows? Or you could take that idea a step further and make the crossover like the one in the Peavey Kilomax. It'd have a user selectable crossover point via a linear taper pot, and add a toggle to go from High/Low range to High/Full range. You could also add dual isolated parallel loops (one for each side of the crossover point) and a blend ratio knob (to balance the output from crossover point A loop to point B loop) to recombine the loops.

I could see a pedal like that being very useful to a lot of bassists in theory. The drawbacks are it'd take up more real estate on the board than having an integrated dirt circuit, and add another power draw (unless you added a power out, like on the Korg PitchBlack)... but it would add greater flexibility to your proposed idea since we TBers tend to buy & sell dirt pedals at a ridiculous rate.

Anyway, it's just a thought.
 

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