This goes out to all you driver mixing haters...

[billfitzmaurice]

I know that current cab science says this is a bad idea (and I do not argue against the science), but there is always that product that is not SUPPOSED to work but somehow manages to fit a need.

There's a big difference between working and working really well. In that same size box one could fit a pair of high excursion 15s and a pair of 6s, and that would work really well.

 

[Joe Louvar]

Just to clarify. I’m not arguing against the science - in fact, I agree that the safest bet is to use incidental cabinets/drivers. However, bi-amping, using crossovers, slaves, and etc works very well and there is a lot of theory and real world (what actually happens) to be considered (for both sides of the coins read some of the BFM/agedhorse debates and etc) also there is luck - sometimes you just get lucky. So even though in general mixing cabs may not always be great - there are exceptions.

 

[Rockbobmel]

I'm not sure how long they were made originally, but Mesa made 3 versions of the original 1516, one of which could be run full range or bi-ampable (1516b). During the same period they also made the Jr. version - 12+4x8. These can be found easily on the used market all the time.

Not only that, they shared the same space inside, only partially divided compartments. I bought one in shambles and did a rehab on it. Sealed off the 2 2-10 compartments and the back. I used it for 5 years and it sounded pretty good with my GK 2000RB!
VERY HEAVY! I think #150+ I got out of my AIC tribute and stopped using it. Sold it for what I had into it. The pic has a 15BW, but I put back the EV in it.

 

[billfitzmaurice]

Not only that, they shared the same space inside, only partially divided compartments.

So much for Mesa's 'Engineering'.
Of course all the wags will say 'but it sounds good'. All that proves is that none of them have heard one of these:
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[Rockbobmel]

It did after I sealed off the 10s.

 

[CL400Peavey]

So much for Mesa's 'Engineering'.
Of course all the wags will say 'but it sounds good'. All that proves is that none of them have heard one of these:
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Which is surprising because I play pretty dang loud. Seriously though, a cab and drivers that are actually designed to work together will sound exponentially better than mixing different full range drivers. They will even sound better than doubling up on the same type of full range cabs. Those 410 cabs that you think sound great? Here is how the majority of them are build: "Engineer 1: Hey did that shipment of budget drivers come in?
Engineer 2: yeah and we have these prefab boxes too.
E1: What about changing the cab dimensions and port sizes to optimize the sound with the drivers we have?
E2: Nah that takes time and R&D money, and our consumers will buy anything we put our name on as they dont really know better..."

 

[JimmyM]

Which is surprising because I play pretty dang loud. Seriously though, a cab and drivers that are actually designed to work together will sound exponentially better than mixing different full range drivers. They will even sound better than doubling up on the same type of full range cabs. Those 410 cabs that you think sound great? Here is how the majority of them are build: "Engineer 1: Hey did that shipment of budget drivers come in?
Engineer 2: yeah and we have these prefab boxes too.
E1: What about changing the cab dimensions and port sizes to optimize the sound with the drivers we have?
E2: Nah that takes time and R&D money, and our consumers will buy anything we put our name on as they dont really know better..."

LOL! I love it when people post imaginary conversations!

 

[CL400Peavey]

LOL! I love it when people post imaginary conversations!

Some people are here to educate, I may be here to entertain...

 

[Calaverasgrande]

It fit a need so well that they only were made for a limited time.

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Mesa still makes the 2x10+15+2x10 "powerhouse" cabs.

ps. when I worked next to Mesa only the 15 + 4x10 cab was called a powerhouse. Later naming the whole bass cabinet line powerhouse was silly in my opinion. About as silly as Musicman "sterling by Musicman" when there is already a Sterling bass, "by Musicman".

pps.the 1516/1516b is not the same thing as the "powerhouse" 15+4x10. The 1516 was 15", a 10", 2x5" and a tweeter. I ran one for years and it had ZERO problems with uneven notes. I only ditched it because it didn't get very loud or go very low for how heavy it was. It did have a very smooth response without having that jagged upper midrange that the so called "hifi" boxes often have.

 

[CL400Peavey]

looks like the short lived ampeg 1540HE without the tweeter to me...............................

and IMO, they were short-lived for a reason.

I was referencing this post, the ampeg in question.

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Mesa still makes the 2x10+15+2x10 "powerhouse" cabs.

ps. when I worked next to Mesa only the 15 + 4x10 cab was called a powerhouse. Later naming the whole bass cabinet line powerhouse was silly in my opinion. About as silly as Musicman "sterling by Musicman" when there is already a Sterling bass, "by Musicman".

+1 to the screwy naming.

 

[JimmyM]

I think Sterling just likes to see his name on stuff

 

[Munjibunga]

Oh noes, I forgot all my little smiley faces saying ti was a joke! Better go fix that...

Phh .. even I know that smilies are required for mirthful posts in Amps.

 

[pickles]

So much for Mesa's 'Engineering'.
Of course all the wags will say 'but it sounds good'. All that proves is that none of them have heard one of these:

What is that ... Carvin PA cab?

 

[wcriley]

I think it's CL400Peavey's fEARful 1515/66.

 

[CL400Peavey]

What is that ... Carvin PA cab?

I think it's CL400Peavey's fEARful 1515/66.

Yeah that's my rig.