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This old fool needs it simple

The old fool is me of course. I’m getting back into playing after many years. I have an Eden Traveler and SWR Golaith II Jr. and its good stuff no question about it but 'I' can’t get the old school sound I want out of it. It’s too polite and smooth for my taste. I recently bought an old Kustom (tuck/roll) combo for $90 that gets the sound walking away but at 90lbs it’s tough to move around. I’d like to find a modern amp/cabinet w/ a minimum of controls, eq’s, enhance, sliders, and other Star War features that gets a solid grunting thump. I’m looking for good bottom but w/ a midrange definition.

So fellas here I am hat in hand asking for suggestions. Give me some combinations of amp/speaker combinations that won’t confuse an old dinosaur.
 
Fretless thanks for the quick reply. I was actually considering a 2x12 Avatar cabinet. Unfortunately I can’t try one out. I’m also thinking of a 1x15 Ampeg w/ possibly a GK head. Like I said, the Eden/SWR sounds too polite.

[[but I'm not too sure about what "old school" tone you want.

Did ya ever hear the Live King Curtis at the Filmore? Think of Jerry Jemmott’s opening bass line on ‘Memphis Soul Stew’ and we’re more than half way there.
 
The old fool is me of course. I’m getting back into playing after many years. I have an Eden Traveler and SWR Golaith II Jr. and its good stuff no question about it but 'I' can’t get the old school sound I want out of it. It’s too polite and smooth for my taste. I recently bought an old Kustom (tuck/roll) combo for $90 that gets the sound walking away but at 90lbs it’s tough to move around. I’d like to find a modern amp/cabinet w/ a minimum of controls, eq’s, enhance, sliders, and other Star War features that gets a solid grunting thump. I’m looking for good bottom but w/ a midrange definition.

So fellas here I am hat in hand asking for suggestions. Give me some combinations of amp/speaker combinations that won’t confuse an old dinosaur.

hmmnnn, being a geezer, I GROK this (been there), but hey, doesn't
your goliath II weight 91 lbs all by itself (mine does)??? :D :D :D

So what is "polite" to you? Not loud enough? Not distorted enough? Not enough bottom? Too punchy? Want more "stage amp pushed to the max" tone?

Tell us more about the styles you are playing NOW, and your bass.
Need input.....:cool:

PS, Excuse my aged ignorance of Eden Travelers, but don't they have a tube pre-amp built-in? :p
 
Did ya ever hear the Live King Curtis at the Filmore? Think of Jerry Jemmott’s opening bass line on ‘Memphis Soul Stew’ and we’re more than half way there.

Hoo boy! I know exactly what tone you're talking about! I do believe that Mr. Jemmott was playing through a few Acoustic 360 heads into their matching Acoustic 361 cabs (in fact I know this is what he was playing through because you can see them sitting on stage on the album cover)! That sounds that amp can make is my absolute zenith in tone. Jerry wasn't the only man to have played through an acoustic 360+361 at the fillmore either; Greg Ridley of Humble Pie also rocked those monsters for their live album Rockin' the Fillmore. That amp and venue just made LOVE to each other every time they met. You and I are in good company too in loving that tone, I've no idea the number of great bassists that used to gig 'em, or still do. Let's see, Jaco, Greg Ridley, JPJ, Carl Radle, and of course Jemmott, to name a few.

But that amp was huge, and freakin heavy! The head wasn't bad, being that it was only a preamp, but the cabs had the amplifiers in them (though solid state, so not as heavy as it might have been) pounding 200 watts of booty shaking bottom end through their 18 inch drivers, oh those poor roadies...

Nothing else does what those amps did, but the closest tones I've come across have all been from tube amps. The Acoustic 361 stacks (IMO) made a better tube tone than any other amp, tube driven or otherwise.

If you're looking for light, I've been playing through a Pignose B100V-H for a few years now, and have been quite pleased with it. It's 100 watts, all tube, and it's simple, it does all that I ask of it: puts out a round solid tone with a confident grit loud enough to rock a few hundred bodies. Here's what I think you'll like espescially: it weighs about 25 pounds, wicked light for 100 tube watts! I've heard some people say it's not ballsy, or that it's a bit bland, but they obviously haven't heard what I have. Though it may be that the rest of my gear puts a little extra life in it. I've got a fender jazz with overwound '69 single coil reissue pups, and my cab is a Bag End S15B-C, which is a 1X15, extra deep, so it can't help but put out a thick bottom. The pignose isn't perfect, you won't lust after it all through work, but it does satisfy, and I wouldn't be shy to have anyone hear my play it. Bottom line, it's a good amp, with good volume, for a good price (you can find them for around $250), and it's light. I recommend checking it out, try one through a good fifteen and I bet my calluses you'll like it.

Man I wrote a lot and said a little. Anyways, wonderful to see great tone recognized, and good luck finding yourself a good amp.
 
A GK 400 RB and a pair of single 15 cabs is what I've had good success with. I don't care much for the 2X10 or 4X10 cabinets.

What I use now and which is great for me, not heavy, compact and puts out a very big sound is the Mesa Walkabout Scout combo. The controls are simple enough yet very effective. With a good P bass I just set everything flat and play. Sometimes do a minor bit of tweaking to adjust for a room. It sounds great with all my other basses too.

They aren't cheap, but in the 300 watt combo range I haven't found anything that comes close. There are others that have as much power but are more the "hi fi" sound which I don't think you want.

The Scout is just a very nice sounding and powerful 50 lb. combo.
 
Fretless thanks for the quick reply. I was actually considering a 2x12 Avatar cabinet. Unfortunately I can’t try one out. I’m also thinking of a 1x15 Ampeg w/ possibly a GK head. Like I said, the Eden/SWR sounds too polite.

[[but I'm not too sure about what "old school" tone you want.

Did ya ever hear the Live King Curtis at the Filmore? Think of Jerry Jemmott’s opening bass line on ‘Memphis Soul Stew’ and we’re more than half way there.

Jerry is one of my all time favorite players. He played Jazz basses on alot of his recordings, and , in an interview, said he also liked alot of treble ! After playing for 30 years, I'm beginning to think that, the "old school" sound was just as much a result of the recording process as it was what type of amp was used. One of my all time favorite bass sounds was on the recording of the Staple Singers, " I'll Take You There ". A Fender Concert GUITAR amp was used for that session! I've also seen Duck Dunn play a few times. Did'nt much sound like the old Stax recordings.
 
Fretless thanks for the quick reply. I was actually considering a 2x12 Avatar cabinet. Unfortunately I can’t try one out. I’m also thinking of a 1x15 Ampeg w/ possibly a GK head. Like I said, the Eden/SWR sounds too polite.

[[but I'm not too sure about what "old school" tone you want.

Did ya ever hear the Live King Curtis at the Filmore? Think of Jerry Jemmott’s opening bass line on ‘Memphis Soul Stew’ and we’re more than half way there.

Never heard the album, but sounds like you want the 360 tone from what I'm hearing off this thread. I'd say the closest safe bet would be an Ampeg combo. If you can afford it, go with this bad boy.

http://www.ampeg.com/products/diamondbluebass/b15r/index.html

GK's(In my opinion/experience) are a lot more "clean" and "hi-fi", like the Eden's and SWR in that sense. If you want warm and deep, go Ampeg.

P.S. If you're dead set on that 360 tone, give me a PM.

Edit: 62 bass is onto something with the Mesa Walkabouts, expensive suckers, but if you get one, go with a 15 speaker.
 
Fretless thanks for the quick reply. I was actually considering a 2x12 Avatar cabinet. Unfortunately I can’t try one out. I’m also thinking of a 1x15 Ampeg w/ possibly a GK head. Like I said, the Eden/SWR sounds too polite.

[[but I'm not too sure about what "old school" tone you want.

Did ya ever hear the Live King Curtis at the Filmore? Think of Jerry Jemmott’s opening bass line on ‘Memphis Soul Stew’ and we’re more than half way there.
I have an Avatar 212 neo with a p bass copy, actually a modified sx and i definetly get that old school sound !
 
Did ya ever hear the Live King Curtis at the Filmore? Think of Jerry Jemmott’s opening bass line on ‘Memphis Soul Stew’ and we’re more than half way there.

That is one of the greatest recordings of all time. That tune off that record is a lesson in rhythm section playing all musicians need to hear.

As your your gear check out a BagEnd S15D cabinet. Small, not too heavy, and can be found at good price used all the time. Don't forget to listen to Aretha Live at the Filmore too. King Curtis and that that band was her band for those shows. They have recently re-released those CDs. Jerry Jemmott is one bad Cat on bass.
 
I've used a bunch. Lately I'm using a BBE BMax pre driving a power amp into the 2x12 Avatar. I've also used GK and Ampeg solid state heads. I think the GK get's the nod as the Ampeg seemed kinda generic. Not bad and really nicely built - just didn't blow me away tonally. Maybe that's a good thing but I like a little more character.

Back in Jerry's day - we didn't use tweeters in many bass cabs. That is a big part of what you're hearing in Memphis Soul Stew - whatta great line by the way. A little modding or hot rodding might be in order for you to achieve that sound. New bass cab's often have two way cross overs built in - you might need some mod's there.

I bypassed the low pass filter to send full range to the 12's and use the attenuator to keep the horn under control.

I also replaced the horn with a 5" mid driver to get the hi end more laid back on one of my Avatar 2x12's. I tried it with the full lo-pass/hi pas 2 way cross over and also with just the hi pass on the mid driver. That last worked better to my ear. I like the way the 12's roll off in the hi's.

I've decided at long last to move from the 2x12's to a single Avatar 4x10 cab. I'm not totally high on 4 10's in a square configuration but - it will hold enough power for me to consider it a 1 cab solution. I'll deal with it. The 2x12 is a cab that would handle 90 percent of my gigs by itself - but not 100. I also hate running rigs at or even near their limits. I feel that's a great way to spend money on replacement parts - usually speakers...

I'll do the same mod's to ththe 4x10 search of the more laid back and to my ear more natural hi end roll off. I'm going to experiment a bit and pull the crossover point down to about 2K (from 4K) first to see how that works. I full expect to be going back to the hi pass on the mid driver only though.

If you do either of those cab's I would think a GK 700 /800 /1001 would be right up your alley. ..and a set of good flats for the full on old school thing. The GK is a simple thing to operate. It will take a couple of hours to have the whole thing sussed out and then it's pretty much set and forget.

If you find one used, don't be at all afraid of the Avatar 2x12 loaded with Delta LF's rather than the newer Neo drivers. The delta cab is heavier but has a more solid low end to it. It's closer to Jerry Jermott right out of the gate. Most of those were delivered with a hi pass on the horn and no lo pass on the woofer as well...

If you want to think about the separates thing - my BMax works well. Bass Mid Treble in the familiar Fender style. There is also a semi parametric mid off to the side, on board compressor which you can use or ignore, sonic maxizer which is on permanent ignore for me. I bought mine used, ran into a problem. I shipped it to BBE and they shipped me a new pre. Can't complain about their customer service a bit.
 
The Mesa Walkabout Scout is gonna kick yer ass with how much of the old school, nice thick fingerstyle tone with some tube warmth it brings.
300 biiig fat watts, the head pulls out for use with bigger cabs...but mostly you won't need that.
The 12" cab has plenty of lows to it.
 
Guys a million thanks for the great suggestions.

[[That is one of the greatest recordings of all time. That tune off that record is a lesson in rhythm section playing all musicians need to hear.

I’ve had the pleasure of meeting and spending time with the great Jerry Jemmott. BTW, for those interested, Jerry was touring with Greg Allman. There was a great clip on youtube of the Allman Brothers band hosting a Kingpins reunion of sorts doing ‘Memphis Soul Stew’. The reunion included Jerry, Cornell Dupree and Bernard Purdie.

[[I've also used GK and Ampeg solid state heads. I think the GK get's the nod as the Ampeg seemed kinda generic.

Curious which GK – they are tops on my ‘must try’ list.

[[I also replaced the horn with a 5" mid driver to get the hi end more laid back on one of my Avatar 2x12's. I tried it with the full lo-pass/hi pas 2 way cross over and also with just the hi pass on the mid driver. That last worked better to my ear. I like the way the 12's roll off in the hi's.

Whooshhh!! The sound of stuff going way over pedro’s head. (Please see self description above ‘Old Fool’ for further reference.)

[[If you do either of those cab's I would think a GK 700 /800 /1001 would be right up your alley. ..

I’ve got my eye on a 800RB.

[[The GK is a simple thing to operate.

I hope so ‘cause that’s what I need.

[[The Mesa Walkabout Scout is gonna kick yer ass with how much of the old school,

I’m unfamiliar with this amp. (Adding it to the list.)