Thunderbird Club

[wolfkeller]

Plug both and have just volume and switch.

That's ok IF i do a refinish but in this case I'm not so it's not doable

 

[wolfkeller]

That's ok IF i do a refinish but in this case I'm not so it's not doable

Plus if I did that I'd do away with all pots

 

[Korladis]

That's ok IF i do a refinish but in this case I'm not so it's not doable

Just put some decorative plugs in the holes.

 

[wolfkeller]

Just put some decorative plugs in the holes.

Nope, I like consistently. First I have to get the bass.

 

[ThaCoast]

I'm really digging it! Maybe I'll commission you to build me one! Also, I kinda dig your idea, I always do it the way I do for sake of ease. No plugging, no finish issue. I DO disconnect my tone pots

Thanks bud! It's really different from my epiphone goth bird for sure, it's a good thing, a variety of tone on each (even if i only wire them to just a killswitch) None sound the same as the other. Deep Sixx epiphone pickups in one, 7ender pickups in the other. Both got big sound & growl, but very true to their own.

I'd be down if ever you wanted one Pm sometime, we can talk details & design

Plug both and have just volume and switch.

Tone is useful at times (even if i do just have it full on) It's cool to be able to tame the highs.

 

[wolfkeller]

Thanks bud! It's really different from my epiphone goth bird for sure, it's a good thing, a variety of tone on each (even if i only wire them to just a killswitch) None sound the same as the other. Deep Sixx epiphone pickups in one, 7ender pickups in the other. Both got big sound & growl, but very true to their own.

I'd be down if ever you wanted one Pm sometime, we can talk details & design



Tone is useful at times (even if i do just have it full on) It's cool to be able to tame the highs.

Not for me lol! It's full on or nothing with me. That's just how and what I play. I do use a TBX in my P basses. BOOST the highs haha

 

[ThaCoast]

Noble Kingdom, i ask for insight as I am in dilemma :/

I look & I see, all my 7ender basses have the standard split p in the traditional position. As i look at Tigerbird, i wonder if i should do the same, or reverse it like Nikki's...

Tiger houses 3 pickups: The middle is the split P. the bridge is a Duncan Classic stack Jazz Set (Neck & bridge - made to look like one pickup). I've read benefits from the reverse P is more girth & bottom end on the D & G strings, whilst tighting the E & A strings & adding treble punch to them thick strings. Here's my dilemma: I feel that i wouldn't need to reverse the P if the neck pickup of the J set gives enough bottom end to the D & G & combined with the bridge pickup of the jazz set directly the E & A strings will have treble focus & punch without the bridge pickup sounding thin on its own. Some one can correct me if my thesis is wrong, I'm for your opinions Also the bass is 20 frets with a slanted heel so there's plenty room between the end of it & the stop of the bridge pickup.

Option A: Standard P config

Option B: Reverse P config

Thanks!! Pros & cons you've experienced with either or setup (not necessarily with a jazz pickup but is useful to compare to mine)

 

[wolfkeller]

Posted that last one on wrong place haha. Ahhh, jack n coke!

 

[wolfkeller]

Noble Kingdom, i ask for insight as I am in dilemma :/

I look & I see, all my 7ender basses have the standard split p in the traditional position. As i look at Tigerbird, i wonder if i should do the same, or reverse it like Nikki's...

Tiger houses 3 pickups: The middle is the split P. the bridge is a Duncan Classic stack Jazz Set (Neck & bridge - made to look like one pickup). I've read benefits from the reverse P is more girth & bottom end on the D & G strings, whilst tighting the E & A strings & adding treble punch to them thick strings. Here's my dilemma: I feel that i wouldn't need to reverse the P if the neck pickup of the J set gives enough bottom end to the D & G & combined with the bridge pickup of the jazz set directly the E & A strings will have treble focus & punch without the bridge pickup sounding thin on its own. Some one can correct me if my thesis is wrong, I'm for your opinions Also the bass is 20 frets with a slanted heel so there's plenty room between the end of it & the stop of the bridge pickup.

Option A: Standard P config
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Option B: Reverse P config
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Thanks!!

I really prefer the tone of the reverse P with a P&j all day. Cleans up the low end allowing the J to shine.

 

[Korladis]

Tone is useful at times (even if i do just have it full on) It's cool to be able to tame the highs.

I prefer to do that at the amp, or just switch to the neck pickup.

Noble Kingdom, i ask for insight as I am in dilemma :/

I look & I see, all my 7ender basses have the standard split p in the traditional position. As i look at Tigerbird, i wonder if i should do the same, or reverse it like Nikki's...

Tiger houses 3 pickups: The middle is the split P. the bridge is a Duncan Classic stack Jazz Set (Neck & bridge - made to look like one pickup). I've read benefits from the reverse P is more girth & bottom end on the D & G strings, whilst tighting the E & A strings & adding treble punch to them thick strings. Here's my dilemma: I feel that i wouldn't need to reverse the P if the neck pickup of the J set gives enough bottom end to the D & G & combined with the bridge pickup of the jazz set directly the E & A strings will have treble focus & punch without the bridge pickup sounding thin on its own. Some one can correct me if my thesis is wrong, I'm for your opinions Also the bass is 20 frets with a slanted heel so there's plenty room between the end of it & the stop of the bridge pickup.

Option A: Standard P config
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Option B: Reverse P config
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Thanks!! Pros & cons you've experienced with either or setup (not necessarily with a jazz pickup but is useful to compare to mine)

Reverse P. Better string to string balance in tone.

 

[Nocturnal]

Noble Kingdom, i ask for insight as I am in dilemma :/

I look & I see, all my 7ender basses have the standard split p in the traditional position. As i look at Tigerbird, i wonder if i should do the same, or reverse it like Nikki's...

Tiger houses 3 pickups: The middle is the split P. the bridge is a Duncan Classic stack Jazz Set (Neck & bridge - made to look like one pickup). I've read benefits from the reverse P is more girth & bottom end on the D & G strings, whilst tighting the E & A strings & adding treble punch to them thick strings. Here's my dilemma: I feel that i wouldn't need to reverse the P if the neck pickup of the J set gives enough bottom end to the D & G & combined with the bridge pickup of the jazz set directly the E & A strings will have treble focus & punch without the bridge pickup sounding thin on its own. Some one can correct me if my thesis is wrong, I'm for your opinions Also the bass is 20 frets with a slanted heel so there's plenty room between the end of it & the stop of the bridge pickup.

Option A: Standard P config
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Option B: Reverse P config
View attachment 1004046

Thanks!! Pros & cons you've experienced with either or setup (not necessarily with a jazz pickup but is useful to compare to mine)

I really prefer the tone of the reverse P with a P&j all day. Cleans up the low end allowing the J to shine.

I vote for Option B. I have multiple basses with the standard P-J layout and the reverse P pickup. I really like the reverse P pickup setup on the basses that have it, especially if you have a good strong Jazz pickup in the bridge.

My SpectorBird has dual P pickups in soapbar form and I like that fuller sound at the bridge. I think your dual-J bridge pickups will help give you a wider range of tones from the bass. Looking forward to seeing how this project turns out.

 

[ThaCoast]

I really prefer the tone of the reverse P with a P&J all day. Cleans up the low end allowing the J to shine.

Indeed, but if you listen to Duff McKagan's tone standard P & J setup, his tone is pretty massive & still has the clarity from the J (also his rig EQ is the opposite of what i've always thought - he backs the treble & boosts the bass. I thought is was the other way around)

I prefer to do that at the amp, or just switch to the neck pickup. Reverse P; Better string to string balance in tone.

Being a Precision player the tone control is really useful in my hands & playing (although i enhance most of my songs & balance the overall tone when swapping basses) with my 10 band MXR EQ pedal. & thus my reverse P thesis is confirmed

I vote for Option B: I have multiple basses with the standard P-J layout and the reverse P pickup. I really like the reverse P pickup setup on the basses that have it, especially if you have a good strong Jazz pickup in the bridge.

My SpectorBird has dual P pickups in soapbar form and I like that fuller sound at the bridge. I think your dual-J bridge pickups will help give you a wider range of tones from the bass. Looking forward to seeing how this project turns out.

I'm assuming, like the others above, the reverse P with a J allows the J to come out a bit more, without being to forward in the mix. Adding just enough bite to the tone of the bass with the reverse P keeping the whole unit balanced. I'm pretty stoked as well I should be, this is the first bass i've built from top to bottom for myself!

 

[Gaolee]

If Seattle is on your itinerary, let me know!

There's a bunch of us out here. It is in the water or something.

 

[Gaolee]

To me, the J sound is nasal and whiny. Give me a Bird or a P or give me guitar!

 

[Korladis]

To me, the J sound is nasal and whiny. Give me a Bird or a P or give me guitar!

The J bridge pickup is, in my opinion, too close to the bridge to be all that useful on its own. But that's coming from primarily a Rickenbacker player.

While the T-bird's bridge pickup is also relatively close to the bridge, it's a bit thicker sounding than that of a J bass.

 

[JIO]

Option A: Standard P config

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Looks like a bass you'd play in your bedroom with your pajamas on.

 

[JIO]

The J bridge pickup is, in my opinion, too close to the bridge to be all that useful on its own. But that's coming from primarily a Rickenbacker player.

While the T-bird's bridge pickup is also relatively close to the bridge, it's a bit thicker sounding than that of a J bass.

That's the difference between a single-coil and a bucker - a P/bucker if balanced is a big sounding bass.

 

[Korladis]

That's the difference between a single-coil and a bucker - a P/bucker if balanced is a big sounding bass.

Not big on Ps, myself. They're one of those "they sound good when other people play them" basses for me.

Rickenbackers (with the bridge pickup solo'd) are how I get what I think of as my primary sound. Though a T-bird with thunderbuckers in series doesn't sound that different.

 

[kat888]

Not big on Ps, myself. They're one of those "they sound good when other people play them" basses for me.

Yeah, it's that 'do I really need that?' sound. Session musicians probably = yes. The rest is a matter of personal taste.

 

[ThaCoast]

Noble Kingdom, i ask for insight as I am in dilemma :/

I look & I see, all my 7ender basses have the standard split p in the traditional position. As i look at Tigerbird, i wonder if i should do the same, or reverse it like Nikki's...

Tiger houses 3 pickups: The middle is the split P. the bridge is a Duncan Classic stack Jazz Set (Neck & bridge - made to look like one pickup). I've read benefits from the reverse P is more girth & bottom end on the D & G strings, whilst tighting the E & A strings & adding treble punch to them thick strings. Here's my dilemma: I feel that i wouldn't need to reverse the P if the neck pickup of the J set gives enough bottom end to the D & G & combined with the bridge pickup of the jazz set directly the E & A strings will have treble focus & punch without the bridge pickup sounding thin on its own. Some one can correct me if my thesis is wrong, I'm for your opinions Also the bass is 20 frets with a slanted heel so there's plenty room between the end of it & the stop of the bridge pickup.

Option A: Standard P config
View attachment 1004047

Option B: Reverse P config
View attachment 1004046

Thanks!! Pros & cons you've experienced with either or setup (not necessarily with a jazz pickup but is useful to compare to mine)

Well, i seem to have answered my own question (on my part as of now based on aesthetics & ease of work). & Option B gets my vote.

Not only does it look great on a thunderbird, but also it allows me to route - again - the bottom portion of the first failed split p route. & this config allows me to have a different split p layout & tone possiblity. As for the bridge pickup, because i deem it too close to the reverse pickup, itll move down by 1/8"-1/4". Just enough for perfect tone, still not overly bright & no excess pickup where i actually pick

Insights are still welcome!!!