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Guys....

I'm still trying to wrap my head around different wiring option for my Pro-IV and Pro-V and still maintaining the classic 3 pots in a row, as I prefer this aesthetically for the 2 + 2 pots in a row...

I've been looking into the configuration of the Gibson 2015 with the two mini switches, but need some input on understanding the wiring.

This article describes the 8 switching options on a Gibson 2015:

How to Get Eight Different Bass Sounds from the 2015 Thunderbird Bass

And here are some pictures of the control cavity from the Gibson Thunderbird 2015 products page:

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It appears to me the pickup wires are wired like this: the North finish wire (white wire) and South finish wire (green wire) are soldered to the same lug on the mini switch, the North start wire (red wire) are soldered to the center lug on the volume pots - But where do the South start wire (black wire) go? I assume they are going to ground on the side of the pot housings...

But what kind of switch is that - Is it a DPDT On-On switch?

What would happen if a DPDT On-On-On switch was used instead? I suppose that would give even more switching option (15 different), although several of these would not be that useful and either sound similar or be out of phase...

An alternative to the 2015 wiring and still maintaining the 3-in-a-row configuration, could be to add a series/parallel switch (DPDT On-On) and a 3-way pickup toggle selector (either a standard sized 3-way toggle or a mini toggle DPDT On-On-On) - Does anyone have a wiring schematic for this?

Also as I understand it - Doing the series/parallel switching puts one of the volume pots out of the circuit... I've seen wiring schematics for this, which either takes the neck volume out of the circuit or the bridge volume - Which would be the preferred way to do this?
 
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Guys....

I'm still trying to wrap my head around different wiring option for my Pro-IV and Pro-V and still maintaining the classic 3 pots in a row, as I prefer this aesthetically for the 2 + 2 pots in a row...

I've been looking into the configuration of the Gibson 2015 with the two mini switches, but need some input on understanding the wiring.

This article describes the 8 switching options on a Gibson 2015:

How to Get Eight Different Bass Sounds from the 2015 Thunderbird Bass

And here are some pictures of the control cavity from the Gibson Thunderbird 2015 products page:

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It appears to me the pickup wires are wired like this: the North finish wire (white wire) and South finish wire (green wire) are soldered to the same lug on the mini switch, the North start wire (red wire) are soldered to the center lug on the volume pots - But where do the South start wire (black wire) go? I assume they are going to ground on the side of the pot housings...

But what kind of switch is that - Is it a DPDT On-On switch?

Yes they are on-on mini switches since it's one for each pickup to coil tap.

What would happen if a DPDT On-On-On switch was used instead? I suppose that would give even more switching option (15 different), although several of these would not be that useful and either sound similar or be out of phase...

You could have Outer coil/humbucker/inner coil wiring on each pickup, or you could have series/parallel/single coil or even Humbucker/off/single coil. Really depends what you're after tone wise. here's a site that's useful for wiring like this Invalid Link Removed. i use it a lot when it comes to weird wiring that i'm after tone wise

An alternative to the 2015 wiring and still maintaining the 3-in-a-row configuration, could be to add a series/parallel switch (DPDT On-On) and a 3-way pickup toggle selector (either a standard sized 3-way toggle or a mini toggle DPDT On-On-On) - Does anyone have a wiring schematic for this?

Also as I understand it - Doing the series/parallel switching puts one of the volume pots out of the circuit... I've seen wiring schematics for this, which either takes the neck volume out of the circuit or the bridge volume - Which would be the preferred way to do this?

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Or you can have something crazy like this
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Best of luck!
 
Yes they are on-on mini switches since it's one for each pickup to coil tap.



You could have Outer coil/humbucker/inner coil wiring on each pickup, or you could have series/parallel/single coil or even Humbucker/off/single coil. Really depends what you're after tone wise. here's a site that's useful for wiring like this Invalid Link Removed. i use it a lot when it comes to weird wiring that i'm after tone wise



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Or you can have something crazy like this
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Best of luck!

Thanks Andii!

Interesting schematics... :)
 
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So I havent been around a whole bunch. Keeping up with classes, kids when mu wife is working and general life. Its going to get bussier.

For about the next six weeks I will also be working nights 7 days a week, 12 hours a day:woot:. I wont habe much of a life, as a matter of fact I wint habe ANY life! But the paychecks will be awesome:thumbsup:

So I guess I'm trying to say I probably wont be aroumd very much. Start this turn aroumd on Monday.

Tom, sorry to hear you are letting go one of your own. There will be more.

Andi, you are an inspiration to the wanna-be in me. Cant wait to see the finished products.
 
So I havent been around a whole bunch. Keeping up with classes, kids when mu wife is working and general life. Its going to get bussier.

For about the next six weeks I will also be working nights 7 days a week, 12 hours a day:woot:. I wont habe much of a life, as a matter of fact I wint habe ANY life! But the paychecks will be awesome:thumbsup:

So I guess I'm trying to say I probably wont be aroumd very much. Start this turn aroumd on Monday.

Tom, sorry to hear you are letting go one of your own. There will be more.

Andi, you are an inspiration to the wanna-be in me. Cant wait to see the finished products.


Pop in when you can! :thumbsup:
 
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So I havent been around a whole bunch. Keeping up with classes, kids when mu wife is working and general life. Its going to get bussier.

For about the next six weeks I will also be working nights 7 days a week, 12 hours a day:woot:. I wont habe much of a life... /QUOTE]

A month ago I got a new carpenteering gig, 11 hours a day plus 2+ hours travel time... Leaves previous few hours in the day for much else- my only music gig now is the reggae band cause it's after work on Saturday... But right, the bread is good. In fact it's saving a few things, like my marriage! So hey I hear your sentiment man!

Maybe there'll be a new axe down the road...

Dm'd you about it!

Got it, you'll hear from me today mang!
 
You know, divorce sucks...... no way around it. I have a financial hole I need to dig out of. I have a career, and a good gig. If the instruments don't sell, (i didn't list my bird in the classies) I'm ok with that. If they do sell, it just helps me to get back in the black a little sooner. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that maybe I can hang onto em'.
 
So I havent been around a whole bunch. Keeping up with classes, kids when mu wife is working and general life. Its going to get bussier.

For about the next six weeks I will also be working nights 7 days a week, 12 hours a day:woot:. I wont habe much of a life, as a matter of fact I wint habe ANY life! But the paychecks will be awesome:thumbsup:

So I guess I'm trying to say I probably wont be aroumd very much. Start this turn aroumd on Monday.

Tom, sorry to hear you are letting go one of your own. There will be more.

Andi, you are an inspiration to the wanna-be in me. Cant wait to see the finished products.

We've all got our lives to live, checking in from time to time is letting everyone here know: we're doin good :) Best of luck with it all! & more pictures of the RD to come very shortly!
 
You know, divorce sucks...... no way around it. I have a financial hole I need to dig out of. I have a career, and a good gig. If the instruments don't sell, (i didn't list my bird in the classies) I'm ok with that. If they do sell, it just helps me to get back in the black a little sooner. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that maybe I can hang onto em'.


It does suck Tom.
I've had to go through one as I'm sure others here have as well - Send me a PM if you need to talk.
 
Here's a lil tease of the upcoming...
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NOTE: I've still got to drill holes for the neck bolts - but i have to acquire the bolts first :D Hence why it's laying on the bed & no backshot :P

Quite surprisingly, it's fairly lightweight considering all the hardware!

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The RAGER, by DaCosta guitars :) it's a great thing to say & a big accomplishment as well
 
Sometimes you come across a tip on the internet, which is too good to keep to yourself...

For the longest time I've wanted a full set of nut files for both guitars and bass, but realized they are way way too expensive for my budget, considering I don't do builds and only need them for making nut slots bigger on my guitars and the odd change of a nut now and then.

So far I've been using the excess parts of new strings as files, to file the nut slots larger.
- But this doesn't quite work for slots for the plain high strings. Also the excess parts of the strings are very flexible and wobbly to work with.

And that's when I came across the tip to use cleaner tips for welding (Wire-O), which comes in sets with 13 different sized tips in a metal box, and can be bought for just a few bucks:

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These two covers the strings sizes .016 - .095.

For string size .105 and larger I use a set of needle files which works just fine.
 
Guys....


Also as I understand it - Doing the series/parallel switching puts one of the volume pots out of the circuit... I've seen wiring schematics for this, which either takes the neck volume out of the circuit or the bridge volume - Which would be the preferred way to do this?

That is the case with my Jazz that is wired series/ parallel. The bridge volume is out of circuit.
 
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Sometimes you come across a tip on the internet, which is too good to keep to yourself...

For the longest time I've wanted a full set of nut files for both guitars and bass, but realized they are way way too expensive for my budget, considering I don't do builds and only need them for making nut slots bigger on my guitars and the odd change of a nut now and then.

So far I've been using the excess parts of new strings as files, to file the nut slots larger.
- But this doesn't quite work for slots for the plain high strings. Also the excess parts of the strings are very flexible and wobbly to work with.

And that's when I came across the tip to use cleaner tips for welding (Wire-O), which comes in sets with 13 different sized tips in a metal box, and can be bought for just a few bucks:

View attachment 845374 View attachment 845375

These two covers the strings sizes .016 - .095.

For string size .105 and larger I use a set of needle files which works just fine.

Fantastic tip! Looks like a set is less than $4 at Home Depot. THANKS!
 
Sometimes you come across a tip on the internet, which is too good to keep to yourself...

For the longest time I've wanted a full set of nut files for both guitars and bass, but realized they are way way too expensive for my budget, considering I don't do builds and only need them for making nut slots bigger on my guitars and the odd change of a nut now and then.

So far I've been using the excess parts of new strings as files, to file the nut slots larger.
- But this doesn't quite work for slots for the plain high strings. Also the excess parts of the strings are very flexible and wobbly to work with.

And that's when I came across the tip to use cleaner tips for welding (Wire-O), which comes in sets with 13 different sized tips in a metal box, and can be bought for just a few bucks:

View attachment 845374 View attachment 845375

These two covers the strings sizes .016 - .095.

For string size .105 and larger I use a set of needle files which works just fine.

Nice tip! I've been dragging my feet about getting a set of files myself, due to the cost.
 
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