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Double Bass Time for a Dead Spiros Club

iiipopes

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Warning: satire following. Take with a grain of salt.
Ladies, Gentlemen, Double Bass Players All:

It is time to have an “official” Dead Spiros Club thread. The electric side of this forum has all sorts of clubs. As you can see in my signature, for example, I am a member of the Grumpy Old Farts – Get Off My Lawn club.

Dead Spiros are like comfy slippers, an old Retriever, and your favorite easy chair. They have settled in to your bass and your personality. They are a part of your life and family. They love you as much as you love them. You can’t imagine having to get along without them. The loss of a Dead Spiro, especially right before a gig, is a traumatic event requiring consolation, fellowship and counseling to manage, usually accompanied by multiple beverages of choice.

Worse, as we age, the young up-and-coming players don’t have a clue as to what we are talking about. Like all young sprouts, and I resembled that remark once, they are still tempted by everything new and different. That’s alright, because it is part of the learning process. It will make them appreciate Dead Spiros even more when they finally grow up and become eligible to join.

So keeping in mind the Monty Python line, “I can’t take him, he’s not dead yet,” The Dead Spiros Club is hereby established, with the following by-laws:

1. The minimum time a “new” string must be on a bass to be eligible for membership is one year. This can be shortened to six months if the applicant can demonstrate he/she purchased them used on this forum, and that the leader silk is frayed.

2. Mixed strings are acceptable, so long as at least one string on the bass is a genuine Spiro, meeting the above criteria. Purchasing a bass with Spiros already installed is also acceptable, so long as the prior owner can provide string envelopes or receipts showing the requisite age on the strings. In other words, membership is transferable.

3. Except in case of breakage or accident, for which probationary dispensation shall be extended, a player must keep at least one dead Spiro on the bass at all times. Any member who changes all strings at the same time must take a year’s sabbatical until he/she has duly killed his/her “new” Spiros. The sabbatical can be waived one time if the removed dead Spiros are sold to another player who can confirm they are actually installed on another bass and gigged.

4. Renewal dues shall consist of reporting a confirmed booking and performance where the string is actually played at least once a year. Yes, the bass must come out of the closet.

5. Special honoraria, bronze, silver and gold, may be displayed at the 2 1/2, 5 and 10 year mark on each string. Members are encouraged to affix a used string retainer of the appropriate color, taken off any broken string, or if a color cannot be procured, multiple retainers corresponding to each level of tenure, on the string afterlength right above the tailpiece, to represent and exhibit status. If you play a string that is over twenty-five years old, then the rest of us simply are not worthy.

6. Honorary and reciprocal membership shall be extended to those who play, or at least have possession of, displayed in an appropriate shrine or other place of honor and respect, Lycons, but the applicant must produce a string envelope as proof of eligibility.

Official password: Growl.
Official color: Red.
Official slogan: “No, you can’t have my gig!” (To be pronounced every time by every member upon any member meeting a bass player he has not met before.)
Official pledge: To refrain from everything “new” as much as possible. I mean everything, not just bass strings. For example, my doubling tuba is forty years old with a fifty year old bell. This does not include the playing of new music or new arrangements of existing music. Quite to the contrary, that is necessary to propagate our species.

Since this is a new club, I will start off as Member #1: My last gig was September 27, 2014, with the group Wings of Swing, for a USN ship reunion in Branson, MO. E string: 3/4 3885.5W purchased 2012 by credit card from Gollihur Music (because at the time there were no dead ones available), replacing a set of S42W’s purchased used on the forum, and then sold to KungFuSheriff, to whom I shall arbitrarily assign (gotta use the pun, "grandfather" in) as Member #2, and extend the first honorary Lycon membership to Drurb.
 
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I can only scratch at the door and peak through the window at your club as I had a two year-old set of 3/4 Weichs that sounded great and - for reasons I cannot recall - sold them. Funnily enough I PM'd the buyer this week about me re-purchasing them and he told me politely to do a runner.

#1 member of shouldn't-have-sold-dead-Spiros club
 
I can only scratch at the door and peak through the window at your club as I had a two year-old set of 3/4 Weichs that sounded great and - for reasons I cannot recall - sold them. Funnily enough I PM'd the buyer this week about me re-purchasing them and he told me politely to do a runner.

#1 member of shouldn't-have-sold-dead-Spiros club
See by-law #3. His reply is proof of Dead Spiros - Clarkybass - Congratulations! You are probationary member #3. Your membership will be upgraded to full once you have played another set, or at least installed one string (everything goes with a Dead Spiro E), on your current bass. Welcome!
 
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Let's see. I have a set of 3 year old A/D/G Spiro Weichs on my Kay with a 2 year old Spiro Mitt E; I have a 2 1/2 year old Spiro Mitts E/A/D with a 1/2 year old Oliv on my Romanian Flatback. I have a 2 yr old Spiro Stark E waiting for an opportunity and a 2 yr old Spiro Mitt G that is being saved to scare off the She-Demons. Can I sign-up? Growl.....
 
BWAHAHA, hilarious! I'm very much honored, iii. You're a ray of sunshine in an otherwise dark and dreary world.

Truth be told, I've slipped, but just a tiny bit. Surrendering to age and the excessive relief carved into the fingerboard of my "good" bass (the one in my profile pic), I recently installed uncharacteristically-fresh used Spiro Weichs under Goldentones, which were obtained from the wonderful Clarkybass. I like the set very much, and those Weichs will be staying on the bass for a good many years.

In my defense, the Reds that came off of that bass have been kept and transferred from instrument to instrument for probably four or five years, and they were used when I got them. Other all-star Spiros I've known and loved include the E&A strings I paired with Red-O-Rays on my old '51 Kay, which were so old they were almost bare of silk and were unwinding in the pegbox, and the set that was on my first bass, which had been in use since the previous owner's heyday on the Northeast jazz circuit in the mid-1970s. I've seen gutter punks that were less crusty than those strings.
 
I'll bite. I bought a set of 7 year old Spiro Mittels off of Wiegraf. I've had them on my bass since February. So they have QUITE a bit of time on them. The winding on the A string is so broken down it goes into the E string slot in the pegbox, and the E string goes into the A string slot.

I play them full time on my 7/8 orchestral bass, but I've also been doing quite a bit of jazz gigs lately. I played Creation (Haydn) and got a 'Why are you playing spiros in orchestra?!'.
 
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Herbie 80's - #5. Having to switch pegs - truly a grand demonstration of "deadness." And a special recognition for taking them to orchestra rehearsal. Excellent! Everybody forgets that T-I initially developed the Spiro to be a brighter, more responsive string in orchestra (kind of like Fender thinking the Jazzmaster guitar would actually be used for jazz playing, and ended up being a surf machine instead). But, of course, that's not how it turned out!
 
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Thank you so much for the honorary membership! I believe that I qualify for full membership as well. My full set of Spiro mitts is now five years old, purchased from Upton Bass to replace my Evah weichs after my injury. I can substantiate a fair number of gigs on them. The last was 48 hrs ago; the next one is tomorrow night. Now for the kicker. Two years ago, I put Lycons back on my bass and removed them in favor of my dead Spiros! I look forward very much to being assigned a number in the club. :)
 
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Drurb, I wish I had known that earlier, but I've already assigned the earliest numbers. So, how about #6, combined with a #1L?

Not just for Lycons, but for anything that has acquired a dedicated following or mystique over the years: how much of it is true staying power over time, and how much of it is just that it was such an advance to the state of the art at the time, until the next quantum leap came along?

Chris - #7 - yes, many years left.

Moles - #8 - a double set! Well done.
 
May I humbly apply for a seat in that bus ...

My Spiros went on a lower-middle-class carved 4/4 german bass (others may find it upper-lower-class) somewhere around 2004; a brand-new instrument with no scratch. It came with strings that seemed to be cut off a fence somewhere in the german east prairie; no sound, but cutting deeply into the fingertips. It was evident that this was not the right thing to be.

As fresh green as the bass I was then, I didn't know anything about all the rocket science behind all the combinations of things that makes a bass playable and good sounding. I put the Spiros on because the shop owner told me that's what everybody does.

Now I've grown older and wiser and so did the bass and the set of Spiros that is faithfully following since then. The g-string broke shortly after it's defloration, luckily in the machine house, so that I could make a firm knot that held until this spring (isn't that amazing?); I just re-knotted it.

During the last ten years the bass, the strings and I went through all kinds of ups and downs. And it was not until recently (somewhere last summer) that I finally could play with ease. Before that it was always a struggle (sometimes I ask myself if stubbornness is a blessing or a curse) and suddenly everything started to flow ...
Spiros went dead and alive a couple of times on the way of getting there. Was it because of material, humidity, playing technique, or metaphysics? We don't know. Life goes up and down, just like that. The strings lost some body and nuances but they are as friendly as ever before. And they are more sensible too room acoustics: well positioned in the space and melted accordingly by the fingers (something that was impossible before their maturity - or is it me? - a constant question) they grow and grow ...

But right now I am as tempted as being afraid while asking myself: "should I change my old buddies with a new set?"
Or would that take out the most important variable of the recent success story?
"To change or not to change ..."
 
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ctrizjones - Wow! A narrative worthy of a Anthony Bourdain travelogue! Nobody would blame you if the worst happens, your G string finally won't hold its knot, and you had to go with a Bel Canto. Until then, hang in there! The first decade is the hardest. I can just hear those strings singing, "Grow old with me, the best is yet to be." With such a narrative, it is fitting and proper that you are #9... #9... #9....
 
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Drurb, I wish I had known that earlier, but I've already assigned the earliest numbers. So, how about #6, combined with a #1L?
Works for me! Thanks... now I can add it to my bi-line. :)

I think there should be some special mention or category for those of us who insist on playing full sets of dead Spiros. That's true devotion.
 
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E. Wilfer 4/4 5-string acoustic bass (high C old Flexocore) with Spiro Mittel 4/4 from 1985 not changed until 2010 or later (which is at least 25 years), last played on Moers Festival, Germany (with low B Spiro 4/4 Mittel) in Bassmasse bass orchestra in early summer 2014. But after that changed back to Innovation for easier playing. Still keeping and never selling them, since they are nice for orchestra now.
Clevinger EUB, 5-string with Spiro Weich 3/4 since about 2009. Thinking to switch to downtuned Spiro Solo or Innovation Braided, since they are a bit hard to the hands on this solid body EUB. But currently keeping them for finger training. Last played on a jam session in Cologne or Duesseldorf about a month ago.
 
@iiipopes:
great. this promises to be a fun ride.
may I suggest that we hold on from time to time to update the honors for 'the oldest single Spiro string still in use' and praise the brave player?
@DoubleMIDI:
I assume you could be close to No1, but we have to affirm with the other members that the sets guarded under the mattress are counted in-competition ...
But beauty is that now I feel less guilty for having my set still on, after 10 years, knowing that they can grow twice as old.

Oh my, this is exactly what these kind of clubs are for: to feel less guilty for your perversive issues because the peers are likewise in the same trouble causing situation ...
May I ask what in the end was the crucial factor to took them off?
 
DoubleMIDI - the first EUB post. What is the mensure of the EUB? S42 Weichs are about as light as it gets before succumbing to the solo sets, and is what many folks use. They are lighter than the 3885W 3/4 set, if your EUB can handle the length. Have you tried them? #10

So far, KungFuSheriff has played the oldest set of Spiros, which lasted over 35 years, and DoubleMIDI seems to have the oldest one-person set at 25+ so far.
 
The Wilfer has 110 cm scale and the Spiro Mittel were a bit too hard to my hands (having too less time for training my strength). And the high C was too thin and hard with the Spiros, the Flexocore a bit better but with less sustain. Couldn't get though the second set of a jazz gig sometimes.
I tried the Spiro Weich S42W, but there is no high C and the tension is not too much equal across the strings and the E a bit weak, but the Mittel a bit too strong for the other Weich strings (and probably my hands).

For the EUB (scale is 105 cm) the S42W are a bit unequal, but the bottom sure has more tension than with down tuned Solo 3/4 Spiros.
I once tried the Innovation braided on the EUB and it felt better if I need to play that instrument the whole evening. (Clevinger recommends Obligato BTW.) A bit less tension and I can pull the strings a bit more which I like to do. They are a bit quieter than Spiros and as many synthetic core strings he dynamics are a bit more limited, but I like them (and the higher tension prototype "Studio" strings from Innovation) more than Evah Weich (dynamically limited) or Obligato (too less tension, too less sustain in higher positions, high C much higher tension than the set), which seem more limited in (pizz) dynamics, probably because they are stretchier than the Innovation strings. BTW there is a Spiro Weich 3/4 high C which I got from Thomastik which was close in tension to the set in the beginning, now a bit less tension, so it might work well with the 4/4 Weich or 3/4 downtuned Solos. But I must say that I only liked the prototype high Cs from Innovation, the regular aluminum spun ones had too less tension and are different to bow.
So my basic problem is the high C and playing too less to be able to handle the higher tension strings for a whole evening. Compared to the synthetic core strings the old Spiro Mittel make my bass still a cannon firing the notes out. As long as my hands can handle it...
 
The 3885 Weich has a little less tension overall than the S42 Mitts, not quite as light as the S42 Weich, and the tension is a little more even from string-to-string, with there being a lesser, but more even progression of the tension from the G to the E. They might be a good compromise with your T-I high C string on your EUB.

Opinion here: I believe the 3885.5 Weich E string is the most overlooked and underappreciated E string in the Spiro Spectrum. It is a good match to just about everything in both tension and tone, and even I, being left-handed playing conventionally, so my bow hand is actually my lesser hand, with all sorts of issues, I can still pull a good tone out of it.