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Double Bass Time for a Dead Spiros Club

It's time to bring the chart over from my thread "All the different Spiros" so everyone can see exactly how much tension there is on each set when each set is strung on a 106 cm / 41 3/4 inch mensure at orchestra pitch. The figures are derived from T-I's own catalog, adjusted for the differences in advertised scale and pitch at their original intended usages:
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                        G       D       A       E      Total
S42 4/4 Light          55.3    59.3    61.4    63.4    239.4
S42 4/4 Medium         61.4    65.5    69.6    69.6    266.1
S42 4/4 Heavy          73.7    73.7    75.8    77.8    301.0
4/4 Solo @ 3/4 Orch    50.3    55.3    55.3    55.3    216.2
3/4 Solo @ 3/4 Orch    56.0    57.8    57.8    57.8    229.4
3885 3/4 Light         60.6    61.7    63.9    66.1    252.3
3885 3/4 Medium        67.2    68.3    70.5    72.8    278.8
And just as a handy reference, here is the comparison to the Bel Cantos:
G 62.2 D 63.3 A 64.4 E 63.3 Total 253.2
Notice that, like several of the Pirastro offerings, the Bel E string is lesser mass to get a quicker response off the bow. That is one reason that for pizz, if you want a dark "old style" pizz, the 3885.5W Spiro E string matches so well with Bel's. It comes right along with the rest of the set in progressive tension, and being as flexible, the feel is complimentary, and being slightly heavier than the S39W E string, the growl does not overwhelm the Bels. That's also why I call Bel's a medium-light string.
 
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I already have the 3885 Weich set on the EUB, the S42 Mittel are on my acoustic bass. Seems like the solid body EUBs need softer or lower tension string to feel the same than on an acoustic double bass.
Oops. Sorry. I didn't catch that up front. I read Mitts on both. I have a couple of guitars like that. On one, the standard acoustic bronze 12's set feels great. On another, electric 11's feel tighter, not better. I don't know. It could be anything in the setup, from nut to fingerboard scoop to bridge to afterlength. I appreciate the discussion.

Anybody else have an idea why S42 Mitts on the 110cm Wilfer would feel better than 3885 Weichs on the 105cm EUB?
 
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ionabass - two years is more than one year, and since you change them, you must be gigging regularly. You're #11. Your duty is to share the wealth and offer the used strings for sale beyond what you think you need to retain in case of unravelling or breakage. We need the strings, and I don't know anybody who turns down cash. Thanks for posting the parrot shop skit to go with the quote out of Holy Grail!

BTW - do you have a 3885.5W 3/4 E string among your not-quite-so-dead from which you might be persuaded to part? A, D, & G strings may come and go, but everything goes with a Dead Spiro E, and I do not currently have a spare.
 
ionabass - two years is more than one year, and since you change them, you must be gigging regularly. You're #11. Your duty is to share the wealth and offer the used strings for sale beyond what you think you need to retain in case of unravelling or breakage. We need the strings, and I don't know anybody who turns down cash. Thanks for posting the parrot shop skit to go with the quote out of Holy Grail!

BTW - do you have a 3885.5W 3/4 E string among your not-quite-so-dead from which you might be persuaded to part? A, D, & G strings may come and go, but everything goes with a Dead Spiro E, and I do not currently have a spare.

iiipopes,
Wow! So I CAN be a Member?
Also - I've had a C-ext. for the last 20 years, so all the "E's" are LONG Mittels/or Weichs.
Regarding my A,D, and G stock, I think I'll sit back and watch the market forces drive prices up as the supply diminishes. Capitalism is a B**ch!
$orry.
Thanks.
don kasper
 
ionabass - Hey! It's all good! Thanks for taking my teasing well. But if I ever install an extension on my DB, I just might call you. On second thought, in a most unconventional move, I have my E string on the uppermost peg due to the false nut I have installed in order to avoid binding, and the G string on the nearest peg to the nut to get the most secure downforce. My E string slips occasionally from the resulting short leader around the post. So, you wouldn't happen to have a 3885.6W 3/4 Weich C-ext string that would be more secure on my top tuner? When the demand for Dead Spiros exceeds supply, I'm sure you will do well. Thanks.
 
You guys are killin me. I have a set of spiros in my drawer...bought with 6 months on them, played them for over a year and a half before getting a set of Evahs...you're making me want those spiros again :rollno:
Since you played them for over a year, and kept them, you are provisional #12. Put the E string back on and you will be a full dozen. You will be re-assimilated. Resistance is futile.
 
I've had my spiro mittel 5 string high C set on my Ergo EUB for almost 8 months now. The E is definitely dead compared to other strings. I can't wait for the others to die although they have settled nicely compared to the twang fest of the first few weeks. Much like the DoubleMIDI I find the high C to be troublesome. Because of my low action it feels fine but the pizz tone is a bit too thin for my taste. Much better than the other high C strings I've tried though so it's staying for now. Looking forward to joining the club once these beasts reach their full year of use. I'll probably find a different C but the main four are staying till they break or can't intonate.
 
I'll probably find a different C but the main four are staying till they break or can't intonate.

I did like the Corelli 370TX high C for steel, but not with the added tension of my 110cm scale.
The Obligato high C works well with Spiros tensionwise, but not with the other Obligato (on my bass, better on other basses). But the pizz sustain is much shorter in higher positions.
 
I did like the Corelli 370TX high C for steel, but not with the added tension of my 110cm scale.
The Obligato high C works well with Spiros tensionwise, but not with the other Obligato (on my bass, better on other basses). But the pizz sustain is much shorter in higher positions.
That may be the reason many high-C strings are tight: generally, more mass means more sustain, so it will match the characteristics of the other strings in the set. But more mass also means more tension at the same scale length and pitch.
 
I did like the Corelli 370TX high C for steel, but not with the added tension of my 110cm scale.
The Obligato high C works well with Spiros tensionwise, but not with the other Obligato (on my bass, better on other basses). But the pizz sustain is much shorter in higher positions.
The bass came with a Corelli C. Didn't like it, did the Obligato C for awhile which was ok. I took it off when I bought the whole Spiro set. I could try the Obligato again.