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Tips to play extra clean?

Timing I have pretty much down. I've been playing semi-professional trumpet for decades. Note length and attack is something I'm working on. I'm only beginning to become attentive to the nuances of bass. I'm still struggling to know what I want to hear when I'm working on slap technique. A lot of it is getting dialed into the nuances of the sounds that make one sound like a professional.
Timing is more of an exacting thing. If you “pretty much” have it down, you definitely don’t have it down. Play along with a drum track and notice how the drum sound changes as you play on the hit or slightly off it. It might be easier to hear it with the kick.
As you work on your timing, notice the subtle tonal differences of your notes depending on where and how those notes are struck.
It gets very deep as you dismantle your timing and technique. Some get it more naturally while others have to work hard at it.
A helpful tool might be recording what you’ve done.
I’ve shown these hints to some who just don’t get it and therefore can’t improve on their own.
As long as you please yourself, you’re probably headed in the right direction, I hope.
 
You know, in all the tutorials that mention muting, I think not enough focus is on muting technique and different ways to apply muting. Usually the subject of muting is glossed over with someone saying "use the floating thumb", or "lay your thumb against the strings". I think muting is much more subtle than that. I have a large curvature in my thumb, and while it doesn't anchor anywhere and largely lays across the strings, there are sonic gaps where the strings don't get muted while I think I'm going the mechanics correctly, but the result is insufficient. Are there any instructionals that focus solely on muting?
I will mute with either hand depending on the tune. I sometimes pluck with my thumb leaving the rest of that hand for muting. Of course doing it differently gives different results.
 
Play right on or slightly behind the fret and don't push down too hard with the fretting fingers. When shifting, look at the target note before you do the shift. Have good form keeping your wrist straight. Try to keep your fingers either on the neck or as close as possible when using other fingers to fret a note.
 
Tips to play extra clean?
Extra practice.

That sounds like a snarky comment, and I don't want to blast you too hard, dude. But someone doing "extra practice" the wrong way or the wrong stuff only ingrains the imperfections more deeply. I've played semi-professional trumpet for decades, having studied with some big-name players who almost every trumpet player would recognize. I've played in symphonic groups with really skilled players, where timing and intonation has to be dead-nuts perfect, inflection has to be across the entire ensemble.

Bass is an entirely different animal and unless one has been paying attention to nuance, inflection and the mechanics to achieve these things, just "extra practice" is a non-answer.
 
That sounds like a snarky comment, and I don't want to blast you too hard, dude. But someone doing "extra practice" the wrong way or the wrong stuff only ingrains the imperfections more deeply. I've played semi-professional trumpet for decades, having studied with some big-name players who almost every trumpet player would recognize. I've played in symphonic groups with really skilled players, where timing and intonation has to be dead-nuts perfect, inflection has to be across the entire ensemble.

Bass is an entirely different animal and unless one has been paying attention to nuance, inflection and the mechanics to achieve these things, just "extra practice" is a non-answer.

Don't practice the wrong way then.
 
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I'm at that point where my bass playing has improved enough that I have to start paying more close attention to detail. I'm now (only) beginning to develop an ear for the sound that I want to get (not quite there yet). And while I don't see myself in a "rock" band, I want to pursue more musical theater and perhaps at some point even recording. As I listen to the pros that I want to emulate, everything I'm hearing is super clean. And while I can play most of the stuff that's put in front of me, sometimes it's not as clean as I would like it to be. So I'd like to know what some of you guys think about, or how you approach your bass so that every note becomes clean and clear and precise, with no buzz; just pure bass tone with controlled attacks.

TIA

“Playing Cleanly” can mean a lot of different things. Probably the best advice I can give you is to get a pocket recorder and a metronome. Then start working on individual figures, review and correct often.
 
Few things here.

In the past 12 years of doing pit work regularly I've never once been asked to audition for the seat. I can't even think of anyone who has ever heard of anyone having done so, and that includes the West End and the tours. It's very much a recommendation world. The theatre scene is super small and MD's in general don't tend to step out side their usual pool of players. My advice is find bass players who are doing it and get to know them, if you are good enough they'll recommend you. Then it's a case of turning up and delivering the goods consistently from the offset. This is a world where you don't have time to get it together, it's got to be together. You can see the part the first time on a Sunday and the show opens on the Monday, so you can't really sit during the band call. That time is to mark up cuts and run stuff rather than to sit and learn stuff. It's a pressure cooker world, I know musicians who got sent home during the interval of shows an a replacement stepping in for Act 2. So it's really a world of having to together and a lot off t is a baptism of fire and holding on for dear life.

Anyway, I digress. To answer the question first of all the bass is inherently a noise instrument. With sympathetic vibrations and frets we are juggling a lot of components at any given time. Everything from your fretting hand, to the strings to the room you are brings out a lot of unwanted stuff. You'll get the cleanest sound from fretting hand playing on your fingertips just behind the fret, for someone watching it will look like you are right on the fret but sitting just behind it stops fret buzz and reduces strings rattling off the fret. Don't let your fingers fly on and off the neck either, pretty much every student I've ever taught has commented on how it looks like my left hand barely moves even if I'm playing a ton of 16ths. My fingers only come off a string a little bit. If I'm playing with my middle finger the ring finger is on the string as well to support it. If it's ring finger then middle and index are down etc. Believe me this took forever to get down, I got my knuckles wrapped in a big way during college for that.

Right hand is a bit of a different story, a lot of it is how you attack the string. I'm doing playing with a heavy right hand but I know my fingers are assertive when they hit the string. This actually gives you a lot more clarity and control over the tones that come out of the instrument. You are then able to control the duration and articulation of each note a lot clearer. The sound is less fluffy (for lack of a better description) and more focused. In theatre parts you'll play a lot of potatoes and a lot of quarter notes. Let them last the duration they are meant to last and learn how to make them bounce. One of the best things I ever found was playing along with cast recordings and you'll get a lot closer to where you want to be.

Everyone has said it, studio parts go through a good bit of other stuff. Having said that, aiming for clarity saves the engineer a lot of time. Saving time in the studio is saving money. If they can save time and save money then your name gets passed around, and they pay you for that skill. No disrespect to guys like Entwistle etc but if you took one of his recorded bass parts and put it next to some like Will Lee you'll probably hear a lot less mud in Will's recording. Never the less, Will's recording will still get compressed and EQ magic.
 
OP, you’ve got a good handle on what you need. When I’ve been away from the theater’s orchestra pit for some time I get casual (spelled l-a-z-y) in my playing. So here’s what I do to get clean technique back under my hands: practice slowly, even too slowly. When practicing slowly I don’t slow my movements though. I lift and land fingers and I shift positions exactly as I do at full tempo but slow tempo gives more time between notes making it easier to relax and use the good technique you already know. Do not speed up the tempo until you have it nailed at a crawl! If you can’t play it perfectly at a slow tempo all you’ll do at faster tempos will be embed mistakes, make a habit of poor technique and tense up. Decide for yourself how quickly to ramp up the practice tempo. We all learn differently.

Practice slowly to play fast [and clean].
 
Good advice in this thread.

I can't speak to your specific problems or what you're looking to hear, but I've found that for me, "clean bass" falls into two categories: muting unwanted noise (this isn't just ringing strings - it's harmonics on muted strings) while playing a note and while not playing a note, and the attack, duration, and release of the note.

For the first - it's hard to do (for me), but minimizing hand noise while changing position or fretting can enhance the "clean" sound. (I'm not good at this - but admittedly, it's not something I'm focusing on.) Additionally, being aware of sympathetic harmonics (especially if you have a very harmonically active bass, as I do) is another place to start. For example, I use floating thumb for muting, but due to my bass and string configuration all parts of the string are harmonically active, and the higher-order harmonics under my muting thumb sometimes ring sympathetically on the strings that I'm not playing (but actively muting). I've had to update my muting technique to address this, as I was getting low B-string resonance from harmonic nodes that's not noticeable at low volumes but comes through at gig volumes. (Embarrassing.)

For the second - I personally find that a clean attack isn't all that difficult, but a clean release can be more challenging. I learned to mute using guitar technique - reducing pressure on my fretting fingers to stop a note. This works on bass, but there's a noticeable difference between using that technique and stilling a string with your plucking fingers. (Again, harmonic nodes come into play here sometimes also.) It may not be as noticeable amplified, but for me, it's definitely noticeable acoustically - there's inevitably the tiniest fret buzz when I mute a note using the "liftoff" method instead of doing something different. I think this translates to a note release not being as clean as it could be in a studio environment.

Also for the second - you talked about note duration - that's very important, coupled with the release. I feel that I have some problems really "connecting" notes smoothly sometimes - like, I give each note maybe 95% of its value instead of the full 100%. For some styles this is great. For others, maybe not. It's just the way I play and I haven't gotten any complaints, but I'd like the play the way I do by choice. On the flip side, having a note duration that is too long is as bad if you are, for example, locking into a groove where the space is important (for example, leaving space for the snare in a hip-hop groove).

Some of this might not apply to you (hell, none of it might) but I understand where you're coming from and I can relate. Good luck - keep practicing.
 
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As I listen to the pros that I want to emulate, everything I'm hearing is super clean. And while I can play most of the stuff that's put in front of me, sometimes it's not as clean as I would like it to be. So I'd like to know what some of you guys think about, or how you approach your bass so that every note becomes clean and clear and precise, with no buzz; just pure bass tone with controlled attacks.

TIA

Clean for me comes mainly from timing. Not timing in tempo or feel terms, but in synchronisation of left and right hands. Plucking the note at precisely the moment it is stopped or fretted. And, if frets are involved, playing right on the fret, or not more than 1 or 2mm behind it. Where there are no frets, getting the stop on crisply but without crashing into the fingerboard, again just at the moment of plucking. And playing every note deliberately and distinctly, without fudge or smudge (these can be added later as deliberate effects if required). Also, keeping the left hand, in particular the thumb, as relaxed as possible, avoiding the 'death grip'. This will keep the fingers fluid and flexible which facilitates accurate synchronisation at any tempo. There are plenty of other factors, but for me those are the primary concerns.
YMMV
 
Muting, with both left and right hand, makes a world of difference. A bit of compression can help even things out. Realization that with studio magic, every single note can be edited. Mostly, don't beat yourself up, just keep practicing/playing and listen to recordings of yourself to figure out what is going on that you don't dig. Love the journey, it's all we've got in the end.
 
Practise slowly at first with the metronome, don't rush ahead. Give every note its full note value and build up the tempos when you are giving each note its proper value, not cutting it off. Many guys do that, that isn't playing it, and it don't swing. If you listen to Jaco, his note consistency and attack consistency and equal note value, are all there.
 
Timing I have pretty much down. I've been playing semi-professional trumpet for decades. Note length and attack is something I'm working on. I'm only beginning to become attentive to the nuances of bass. I'm still struggling to know what I want to hear when I'm working on slap technique. A lot of it is getting dialed into the nuances of the sounds that make one sound like a professional.

Based on my experience, stop learning slap and work on literally ANYTHING else. Or maybe you'll find better people to play with.
 
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I'm at that point where my bass playing has improved enough that I have to start paying more close attention to detail. I'm now (only) beginning to develop an ear for the sound that I want to get (not quite there yet). And while I don't see myself in a "rock" band, I want to pursue more musical theater and perhaps at some point even recording. As I listen to the pros that I want to emulate, everything I'm hearing is super clean. And while I can play most of the stuff that's put in front of me, sometimes it's not as clean as I would like it to be. So I'd like to know what some of you guys think about, or how you approach your bass so that every note becomes clean and clear and precise, with no buzz; just pure bass tone with controlled attacks.

TIA
1) Play slowly, and with a metronome.
2) Work on one thing at a time, and exhaustively.
3) Make sure your muting technique is perfect.