Tony Levin and the 3 Drummer Mix

Discussion in 'Bassists [BG]' started by CryingBass, Jun 29, 2017.

  1. CryingBass

    CryingBass Just a Fool Whose Intentions are Good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 8, 2016
    Saw King Crimson at the Chicago Theatre last night. Excellent seats.

    But if you ask me, Tony Levin's playing was largely muffled by the THREE huge drum sets most of the time. God I really miss Bill Bruford. 1/10th the gear, 10 times the sound!

    Do any of you guys play in multi-drummer bands, and if so, do you have trouble punching through the mix?
  2. salcott

    salcott Supporting Member

    Aug 22, 2007
    NYC, Inwood.
    Bass drum mics + subwoofers = inaudible bass.
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  3. Bob_Ross

    Bob_Ross Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 29, 2012
    Bummer about the mix at that show. I keep wanting to like this latest iteration of KC, but annoying stumbling blocks -- such as your report & similar ones with teh same complaint, or, even more compellingly, that crappy Live At The Orpheum disc they released in '15 -- continue to give me pause. Also, fwiw I've heard various Crimheads talk about how the whole notion of the three drummers "fronting" the band is an intentional approach to not just their staging but also how their sound is mixed/perceived, so perhaps what you heard was what they wanted. Sigh...

    I don't now, but on a number of occasions in the past I've played in bands with multiple drummers, and I never had trouble being heard ...onstage. I have no idea what it was like out in the house. Then again, we weren't playing venues the size of The Chicago Theater so we were almost certainly dealing with a far more modest PA.
  4. CryingBass

    CryingBass Just a Fool Whose Intentions are Good Gold Supporting Member

    Apr 8, 2016
    Thanks for the reply. I think they had a pair of those new QSC "cardoid" subs flanking the middle drummer - cant get enough of that mud!
  5. 40Hz

    40Hz Supporting Member

    May 24, 2006
    Shades of Joe Bonamassa's Royal Albert Hall performance. One stage. Two drummers. Zero reason for it.

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  6. Pat Harris

    Pat Harris

    Nov 17, 2006
    Brighton, MI
    When I saw Crimson in NYC with Bill on kit/synths, Tony's bass tone was incredible and fit beautifully into the three drummer sound. The show was one of the most sonically "dialed in" I've ever seen. Sometimes the best seats for visuals aren't the best for audio, IME.
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  7. Bob_Ross

    Bob_Ross Gold Supporting Member

    Dec 29, 2012
  8. mambo4


    Jun 9, 2006
    Saw Tony with Peter Gabriel and Sting on the Rock Paper Scissors tour
    Sadly, his tone was generally the victim of the bass drum mix.
    He was fun to watch though.
  9. HeavyJazz

    HeavyJazz Supporting Member

    Jan 26, 2013
    Central Virginia
    Maybe you had a bad seat or they didn't mix the room well. Tony Levin always sounds like gold on the live board recordings. Though I will say that I have both the new Live in Toronto they did a year or two ago with this band and the "official bootleg" Absent Lovers from '84 and the bass on the earlier recording just kills versus the other.
  10. I saw the KC show at Massey Hall last night and Tony's bass was loud and clear.
    He was a monster!!!!
    I was focused on him most of the night.
    Just a brilliant musician
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  11. Lobster11

    Lobster11 Supporting Member Supporting Member

    Apr 22, 2006
    Williamsburg, VA
    I saw back-to-back shows of the 2014 tour in Philadelphia, and this was my experience. I had very different seats for the two shows, and the sound --including Tony's -- was just astonishing in both places.
  12. Pat Harris

    Pat Harris

    Nov 17, 2006
    Brighton, MI
    Reviving the thread because I bore witness to King Crimson last night in Austin at the Bass (like the fish) Concert Hall. This room has notoriously bad sound even after a multi-million dollar renovation. The legroom was pretty great, though.

    Amazing show.
    Pristine sound, full, loud, and clear.
    It was the tour opener and they crushed it from the opening notes.
    Definitely go to a show if they're coming near you. It's an experience. Video and audio cannot capture or replicate what it's like to be in the room.
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