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Too Soon To Put My Foot Down?

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#41
PopaWoody said:
Your the new guy and YOU want to dictate things? Errr. No thanks buddy, a successful frequently gigging band that got that way prior to your arrival does not need some prima donna telling them how things are going to be now that you are in the mix.
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I am very concerned about complimenting the band and making sure my parts are dead on before my 1st gig with them.

I have to be able to hear my bass to do that.

Normally I would just cave, move my amp to the back and live with not being able to hear.

I'm not going to start bad habits like that with the new band.

"I have been playing bass guitar in bands for 45 years. I'm never the new Guy"

blue
 
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Is the volume of this rehearsal that loud? Are you competing for clarity in the mix with Marshall half stacks or aninal/gonzo on the skins? Then you might want to consider bringing in the big rig to the rehearsal space and gigs. Leave the MK 210 combo at home for practice. I say that knowing nothing of your situation and assume it would not be a hassle to tote gig to rehearsal and back. Obviously YMMV.

As stated you do need to be heard by the drummer and vice versa.

IMHO a good drummer will play to the room with dynamics. Playing softer is not really that difficult.
 
#45
bluewine said:
Joe, in this rehearsal space I can't hear the guitar parts if I stay in the back.
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If they move their rigs back too then what's the problem? All amps will be equal, you'll be able to hear yourself and them, and your drummer will be able to hear you.

Honestly Blue, you seem to be your own worst enemy at times. Learn to be a little more easy going and flexible with these kinds of things. I guarantee you that you'll go further with your music if your stop taking the advice on this forum (as well as your own advice and experience) as strictly as you do.

Just say, "Hey guys, the drummer is having trouble hearing me, but when I move back I have trouble hearing you guys. Can we all move our amps back so we all can hear each other? I think it'll make us sound extra tight."
 
#46
PopaWoody said:
Is the volume of this rehearsal that loud? Are you competing for clarity in the mix with Marshall half stacks or aninal/gonzo on the skins? Then you might want to consider bringing in the big rig to the rehearsal space and gigs. Leave the MK 210 combo at home for practice. I say that knowing nothing of your situation and assume it would not be a hassle to tote gig to rehearsal and back. Obviously YMMV.

As stated you do need to be heard by the drummer and vice versa.

IMHO a good drummer will play to the room with dynamics. Playing softer is not really that difficult.
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The MK 2 10 was purchased specifically for rehearsal. It's a 500 Watt combo and should be perfect. We need a viable option so I can hear and the drummer can hear.
 
#47
guy n. cognito said:
The issue here is minor. Both the bassist and the drummer need to hear each other. Move the amps and people until that goal is achieved. No need for egos, putting ones foot down, or polling the internet for advice.
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+1

Seriously, this is not something to make a big deal out of. As others had said, the semi-circle is great. I've used it many-a-times at rehearsal with great results. Backline doesn't need to be set up in a straight line at a rehearsal like it's a gig. Move yourself and your mic stand back towards the amp so your drummer can hear it and you can too. Problem solved.

Also, as I know this is not your first rodeo, hearing yourself well at a gig is always great but sometimes not realistic. Long story short, I had to do a gig two weeks ago with just my bass, a DI out of my BBE preamp, and some reinforcement through my monitor. Optimal? No, but I rocked it just the same.

P.s. For the record, I once rehearsed with my band using a 2x10, and it wasn't enough...and we're not overly loud at rehearsals.
 
#48
jmattbassplaya said:
If they move their rigs back too then what's the problem? All amps will be equal, you'll be able to hear yourself and them, and your drummer will be able to hear you.

Honestly Blue, you seem to be your own worst enemy at times. Learn to be a little more easy going and flexible with these kinds of things. I guarantee you that you'll go further with your music if your stop taking the advice on this forum (as well as your own advice and experience) as strictly as you do.

Just say, "Hey guys, the drummer is having trouble hearing me, but when I move back I have trouble hearing you guys. Can we all move our amps back so we all can hear each other? I think it'll make us sound extra tight."
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This is another viable option.
 
#50
sandmangeck said:
It's 500 watts with the extension cab. I was having problems with 2 guitarists and a drummer until I added the matching cab. Now we're cooler then a polar bears toenails.
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Well, I have an extra GK RBX 2 10 cab that I don't use.
Another viable option.

Thanks
 
#51
bluewine said:
This is another viable option.
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Anything that casts you as the (new) guy who's trying to find solutions, instead of the (new or old) guy that's having problems, should be not only viable but preferred. Offer to try pretty much any arrangement of people & gear, to improve the situation. Nobody else on this forum has seen the exact layout, & can't really make too specific of a suggestion. You never really know what's going to work sometimes until you try it. My best suggestion is to solicit teamwork in moving things around somehow, in the interest of making things better (as opposed to "less bad"). Terms like, "I'd like to hear more ____" might work better than, "I can't hear enough ____."
 
#53
Savage_Dreams said:
if you moved your amp up in line with the guitar amps i assume it was to be heard with the guitar amps. so why not try moving the guitar amps back to where your bass amp is? then they would all be inline, and back were the drummer can hear everything.
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That should work.
 
#54
steven1068 said:
I don't know how your rehearsal space is configured, but I'm sure that there is some way to place your amp so that both you and the drummer can hear. It is really critical for the drummer to be able to hear the bassist and vice versa. and I wouldn't suggest getting in a fight over something small like that, especially so early on.
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Nothing close to a fight, were all working together.
 
#55
Munjibunga said:
With all due respect, you don't seem like someone who's easy to work with. In the music business, that's an important consideration. Well, I guess in any business it is.
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I am not easy to work with, but not impossible to work with. I'm reasonable. I made that clear to them before I came on board.
 
#56
ChrisB2 said:
I see what you're saying, but Blue does need to hear himself. And since he brings a new sound, a new amp, and a new personality to this band, I don't think he should just sit down, shut up, and do as he's told. I think everyone should work together to make this work for everyone.

I don't think he's trying to "tell them how things are going to be." I think he's trying to make his place in a band of equals.

I would very diplomatically try to be myself. If they want an employee that they can tell where to stand, they should pay him to rehearse. If they want to be prima donnas and dictate how things are gonna be, without pay, erm, no thanks buddy.

And, yeah, they do need him. This may not be the right fit for either Blue or the band, but let's realize that they needed a bass player and he landed the gig. Now it's time for everybody to get along and play nice.

:D :bassist:
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You do a better job of explaining my situation and the dynamics of this issue than I do.

Thanks

blue
 
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