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Tools for playing along with a Standard's melody?

It might behoove you to stop using the actual songs once you've "got it". If you are playing with a backing track you have to remember everything without someone singing the melody to help guide you. It can become a crutch. Then you go to perform it with other musicians and wow, that crutch disappears!!! It can really throw you off.

Or just play it through on your own with just a metronome.

I'm new to singing, been trying to learn for a year. After I learn to sing a song fairly well using the record, I then switch to a backing track or remove the vocals somehow for practicing. It should work similarly for a melody. I didn't do that at first and, well, the first time I'd go to sing with the guys it would turn into a real train wreck!!!

Fortunately these guys are very supportive, and now we're nailing songs with 3-part harmony regularly. Harmony (the equivalent of 3rds, 5ths, counter melodies and other chordal notes) is hard but fun!!!
 
Play along with a record. The problem is it can be hard to find a lead sheet in the correct key.

Get a lead sheet, write out a copy transposed to the key of the recording.

From the lead sheet I am interested in the chord used, not the treble clef melody. Why? Because I'm not going to be playing melody, I leave that to the solo instruments and I concentrate on the harmony. To do that I need to be playing notes of the harmonizing chord.

The chords used will vary (sometimes a LOT) from version to version. For example, the original chords to "I Got Rhythm" are a lot simpler than the changes most people actually play.

The harmonizing chords are based off the melody, so learning the melody will help you figure out the chords if you can't hear them.
 
I am constantly working on memorizing standards and have been for years. I follow the same pattern every time I do it, which I learned from my teachers who had been doing it the same way for years. I don't know how many gajillion times Ive done it now over the last probably 20 years or so.

I learn the head first. Like the OP, I do like having a recording of it to play over, because often you are having to try to figure out a fingering that lets you get decent phrasing, which can be a lengthy process, particularly on the upright. There are some heads which are sufficiently difficult that I abandon the effort in the interest of time, if I need to have the tune together for a gig, but often times I come back to those later to see if I can figure it out. It is well worth it not just because it helps you to hear the changes in your head, but also because once you get the melody burned into your brain its helps you not to get lost in the form, particularly if there is trading going on, you can just hum the melody to yourself instead of counting.

Many recordings of standards have the heads played with enough embellishment that they can be difficult to use as a reference, so if I can't find something I can work with, ill sequence it, or find somebody else's Musescore transcription and use that. It doesn't really matter if the sequenced part swings or not, since I am only going to use it long enough to get it memorized, subsequently I'll just play over a backing track or a metronome.

Once I have the head together, or have abandoned the effort, I usually pick a couple of choruses and transcribe those. I don't always do the notation, unless its some part that is just so ridiculously good that I'd like to have it for reference, or the guy I study harmony with will ask me if I have a piece I want to look at, I can draw from those transcriptions. Regardless of whether I write it down, the goal is just to memorize those couple of choruses until I can play them by heart.

Once I get my two favorite choruses down, I can usually play the tune on a gig, but it takes a few weeks of replaying that section a couple of times per day before its really committed to memory, and even then sometimes if I play it on a gig, the transcribed part completely disappears from my memory, and I fall back to just hearing the changes in my head and improvising until some of the stuff I absorbed starts bubbling up from memory.

In general I won't ask for solos unless its on tunes that I know I have something to say on, but after I get the line down I will definitely devote several hours to soloing over a backing track, in particular, soloing over particular changes in the chart until I feel like I can hear them really well. If I have Aebersolds for it, it's well worth studying the recorded player's lines (I love Tyrone Wheelers stuff in addition to R.C.) over those little two bar sections, as they hear so much hipper stuff than I do, and I have learned a tremendous amount of sounds that way that I would never have come up with on my own. But its good to have some kind of concept of what you might play if called to take a solo, so its worth fooling around with it. Often the first few dopey ideas I come up with wind up sticking in my head and I later use them.

But anyway, yes you should learn the head in my opinion, but I wouldn't sweat the technical details of how you get the accompaniment for it; just use that as a crutch to get you to where you can play the head from memory, get the fingering together, and then move on.
 
The Amazing Slow Downer (and others that do the same things) has been golden for many people. You can change pitch (key) and tempo independently to suit your needs.

Fair enough. Different people learn in different ways and I've never had a problem hearing or reproducing melodies so I can't really come at the problem from this angle. You are correct that the melodies contain all the cues but what happens in melody is highly subjective in a live setting because instrumentalists and vocalists will not all be playing the same thing each time they take a turn, and sometimes will be playing very far outside the original melodic structure.

For me, the focus has always been first on learning where to put my fingers in order to match up with what's happening harmonically, and that means focusing on the chords and patterns, walking before I fly. Once I know the basic patterns and chord shapes I'm dealing with in a song then I can play around with and against the melodies, based on what I'm hearing.
At clinics Jaco Pastorius told attendees that no matter how far out he got with his playing, the melody was always playing in his mind. That ensured that he knew where he was in the song. Knowing the melody was valuable for him and indispensable for us if we're going to connect with our audience, who probably also have the melody in mind as they listen to our comping and improv.
 
Learn how to read a chord chart and walk through changes. Focusing on melodies is not going to help you.

Focusing on learning chord, transitional, and walking patterns will allow you to play things that sound right under any melody.
I like your posts here LBS, but I'm going to have to taker the other side of this one. I think that even for a beginner, playing a walking line under the melody with no chords is a great drill.

Having said that, I used to program changes into a DAW and walk under them with no melody all the time. It's also a good drill. But there's value in thinking about the melody right from the beginning, even for a beginner.

Last is this - whenever I'm asked if I want to take a solo on a jazz gig, I joke 'Solo? Every note I play is a solo'. That's sort of how I feel about good walking lines. And in that sense, as you well know, you gotta know the melody.
 
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Melodies are the cake.
If you say so. To me they are everything that needs to be supported by the instrumentation. But apparently there are a lot of people who think backward from the way I do and they are all showing up in this thread. Which means there's something here for me to learn, I suppose.

I like your posts here LBS, but I'm going to have to taker the other side of this one. I think that even for a beginner, playing a walking line under the melody with no chords is a great drill.

When I first started thinking about leaning into walking lines, I went out and got familiar with Ed Friedland's course in walking bass lines. It's all about walking over changes, not melodies. So that's what I'm seeing as a starting point. I've been singing and working with melodies for a long time. I sang and wrote complicated melodies and harmonies in a jazz/fusion group for two years. And I never once thought any of that prepared me for playing walking lines as a bass player. But maybe I'm just not getting the way jazz is traditionally taught somehow. I don't tend to do things in a conventional way.

So just disregard my contributions here and carry on.
 
Little help for the old guy. What is a DAW? Sounds like it would be fun to use.
DAW = digital audio workstation
Think of it as a mixer, recorder, patch panel, editor, et al. all in one program on your PC. To use that software you'll need an interface to convert your instrument's signal to something the PC can use and you'll need outboard speakers (or headphones) to listen to it. DAWs are available in a range of prices and capabilities from dirt cheap to omigawd!!! The entry level ones have all the capabilities a novice needs to figure out if he really needs more.

At the entry level there's GarageBand, a spiffy little app. Much higher up in capabilities, complexity and cost are: Logic Pro X, Pro Tools, Studio One, Ableton Live, Cubase Pro, Propellerhead Reason, FL Studio, Cockos Reaper, Bitwig Studio, MOTU Digital Performer and Mixcraft Pro Studio. There are more. I know little about these except that the guys I know and play alongside are using several of them. I do my recording on a Zoom H2n portable that does a lot less than even GarageBand but works great for recording practice, rehearsals and gigs. It's all I need. YMMV
 
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I went out and got familiar with Ed Friedland's course in walking bass lines. It's all about walking over changes, not melodies.
I haven't seen Ed's course. I think about this in terms of vertical alignment on a tune like 'How High The Moon', for example. You're the foundation and the melody notes are going to be heard in relation to your bass notes. Polyphony is conveyed in that way, fundamentally, since you're the... well, the fundament. We all start by playing chord tones on the downbeat but what about the 3rd beat in that tune? The coolest thing you can do is play the melody and bass without anything else going on and try to convey the harmony that way. That's the essence of a great walking bass line, to me.

So just disregard my contributions here and carry on.
Wouldn't want to do that. All contributions are useful. Obviously we all have to learn to walk in relation to chords, not just melodies. But again, as above, monophonic melody + monophonic bass notes = dyad which implies chord! I'm sure you know that jazz pianists are given this drill all the time - voice a set of changes using only two notes for each chord.
 
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Ed Friedland's books are a must have. His Walking Bass Lines is a great one to start with. amoazon.com,ed freidland books - Bing

Little on bass lines based upon chord tone or melody line. I think our first responsibility is to:
  • Call attention to the root.
  • Drop into a groove with the drummer -- and the rest of the band.
  • Don't step on toes.
That is a piece of cake playing chord tones and just that takes several years to get it all down. R on the first beat and the 5 on the 3rd beat keep me in the game, however there is also the 2nd and 4th beat. We can use that space for more chord tones, R-5-8-5 or would some active melody notes fit here as well?

What chord is active in the song is dictated by the melody being played at this moment in the song. The songwriter will place his chords so that they share some of the active melody notes. Doing this the two lines, 1] melody and 2] harmony bass line, harmonize each other - sound good together. So... movement (I-IV-V) is not the only thing in play here. The melody notes can and do enter into the picture. Those "full chord tones" found in Jazz are an example of the use of extensions of the basic chord tone, IMO melodic bass lines just take it further out into another skill level.

Melody bass lines are a little beyond that piece of cake I mentioned, however, should not be overlooked.

Kinda depends on the band you are playing with. Some want the ole tried and true root to the beat, and then others are open for a more melodic bass line.

…… We can base our bass lines on chord tones or melody notes. Done correctly both will harmonize THE MELODY. The only thing left is that rhythm thing...

Little time on Google asking about harmony and how each chord ends up in the progression could be time well spent.

Happy trails.
 
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When I first started thinking about leaning into walking lines, I went out and got familiar with Ed Friedland's course in walking bass lines. It's all about walking over changes, not melodies. So that's what I'm seeing as a starting point. I've been singing and working with melodies for a long time. I sang and wrote complicated melodies and harmonies in a jazz/fusion group for two years. And I never once thought any of that prepared me for playing walking lines as a bass player. But maybe I'm just not getting the way jazz is traditionally taught somehow. I don't tend to do things in a conventional way.

When it comes to music, actively telling someone "not" to learn something musical will ALWAYS be a mistake. I'd hesitate preaching ignorance simply because you might not have experience in a particular approach. And learning from a book or whatever is fine. But I'm not going to assume that the Ed Friedland course in walking basslines is the end-all-be-all in bass pedagogy.

Apparently, you were looking at melodies and the rest of the harmony, basslines included as separate and alien components. Whether you realized it or not (or believe it or not), they are absolutely linked. as tradernick explained very well. But nobody is born knowing this stuff. I'm just starting to figure out some of it. The melody should "create" the changes. "Good" songs are not just chords strung together with a formula. There is a meaning. Or should be, anyway.

You don't seem all that sold on the concept and at the end of the day, if you don't want to learn melodies I'm perfectly ok with that. I suppose it's one of those things that you either get or you don't.
 
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