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Trouble with vocalist

Hey Guys,

Well, she was a no show at the meeting tonight. Not responding to any calls/texts/emails. We really wanted to hear her out, but I guess she didn't want to speak. Luckily, my co worker who subbed said that she would not only play the gig this friday, but she is willing to take over the position permanently. I appreciate some of the advice given, but I'm also really surprised at how quick some of you were to just say "fire her". I'm sure that you've all been in situations where it's not just a matter of firing the person, but taking into account any personal issues that might be going on. Good singers are hard to come by, especially ones that are relatively easy to work with. Why not try to give someone the benefit of the doubt or at least let them explain themselves? It would be hard to have a successful band if you just fired someone for a single issue. We've all messed up at one point or another. Would you want to get fired on your first offense?

Thanks again you guys. Keep thumpin'

Well there ya go. Sounds like it worked out great, and you did the right thing by showing her some basic decency and giving her the chance to work it out.

It appears I'm all alone in thinking that I can kind of understand how your ousted singer feels. If you guys have never used subs before and never discussed your plans for dealing with this type of situation, and she had a serious, legitimate reason for missing the gig, perhaps she had some basis for being hurt.

Speaking of having a serious reason for missing; I strongly disagree with the person who compared this to a major league football player missing a Monday Night Football game. A better comparison would be that the football player canceled a fishing trip with his buddies to play MNF. She said she missed for work: If we're going to talk about this as a job, we have to talk about "primary" job and "secondary" job. For most of us, playing music is a secondary job, i.e. it does not pay our living expenses. Therefore if a serious conflict between this secondary "hobby job" and our bread and butter job arises, we are smart to place our primary job first. If it came down to canceling a gig or losing my job, I'm canceling the gig. Of course, getting a sub is better but what if the band has never discussed the possibility and someone you care about gets hurt over it?

Not only was it right to give her another chance, if it were me I would've probably been reluctant to use a sub without her approval, depending on lots of possible variables that we don't have... and if she was that hurt I can totally see her not being able to work with you any more.
 
The singer should have handled things better BUT.......

1. Work comes first (puts food on the table).
2. Family comes first (you have to live with them).
3. You won't get rich playing bar gigs so lighten up.
 
After this, our vocalist sends us an email saying that she's pissed that we got a sub for her and how she would've rather we cancelled the gig. She also says that she wants to leave the band and can't perform with us anymore, even though we already have another 3 gigs lined up this month.


It's one thing to cancel out on a gig, for whatever reasons. The thing that calls for her dismissal is the fact that she 'expected' the band to cancel the gig and actually get pissed when it didn't happen! That, to me, is a legitimate cause for dismissal! I've had to cancel gigs and secured my own sub! And by missing the meeting makes the dismissal legitimate!

So to the person who doesn't deem this so serious, I'm sorry bruh.....business is business! She is the one who made it a serious matter! She could have easily been apologetic and happy a sub was secured and all would have been well! But no, she took it in another direction.
 
Hey Guys,

Well, she was a no show at the meeting tonight. Not responding to any calls/texts/emails. We really wanted to hear her out, but I guess she didn't want to speak. Luckily, my co worker who subbed said that she would not only play the gig this friday, but she is willing to take over the position permanently. I appreciate some of the advice given, but I'm also really surprised at how quick some of you were to just say "fire her". I'm sure that you've all been in situations where it's not just a matter of firing the person, but taking into account any personal issues that might be going on. Good singers are hard to come by, especially ones that are relatively easy to work with. Why not try to give someone the benefit of the doubt or at least let them explain themselves? It would be hard to have a successful band if you just fired someone for a single issue. We've all messed up at one point or another. Would you want to get fired on your first offense?

Thanks again you guys. Keep thumpin'

Yeah, it’s just that I’ve been down that old road more than just once in the pass, so I’m not surprised she didn’t show or reply to any messages either. Anyway, you have a new singer now, so all is good.

Thanks for the update and best wishes.
 
Hey Guys,

Well, she was a no show at the meeting tonight. Not responding to any calls/texts/emails. We really wanted to hear her out, but I guess she didn't want to speak. Luckily, my co worker who subbed said that she would not only play the gig this friday, but she is willing to take over the position permanently. I appreciate some of the advice given, but I'm also really surprised at how quick some of you were to just say "fire her". I'm sure that you've all been in situations where it's not just a matter of firing the person, but taking into account any personal issues that might be going on. Good singers are hard to come by, especially ones that are relatively easy to work with. Why not try to give someone the benefit of the doubt or at least let them explain themselves? It would be hard to have a successful band if you just fired someone for a single issue. We've all messed up at one point or another. Would you want to get fired on your first offense?

Thanks again you guys. Keep thumpin'

make contact with the venues in which you have gigs already lined up and make sure your ex singer doesn't try to cancel them out from under you.
 
Hey guys and gals,

So here's the situation. My band had a gig last Saturday that had been on the books for a month. Last minute our vocalist all of a sudden has to work that night and doesn't let us know until 4 days before the gig. Luckily, I work with someone who can sing very well who was willing to do the gig. She learned the 25 songs we were doing that night with one rehearsal and completely nailed it. After this, our vocalist sends us an email saying that she's pissed that we got a sub for her and how she would've rather we cancelled the gig. She also says that she wants to leave the band and can't perform with us anymore, even though we already have another 3 gigs lined up this month. Don't get me wrong, she is actually very nice and easy to work with and is a decent singer, so this kind of caught us off gaurd. Any advice on how to handle the situation would be greatly appreciated.

Apparently she thinkg that she is the band, and that if she doesnt go on, the band doesnt go on.
Yeah, she wants to leave then say good bye. Ask the girl who just filled in if she wants 3 more paying jobs and if she'd consider joining the band. Let your original singer know that shes being replaced.

Shes nuts wanting you to cancel a gig, especially 4 days prior.
She doesnt know how to be in a band and have other people at the mercy of the gig.
 
Why not try to give someone the benefit of the doubt or at least let them explain themselves?

Because of what you said in the original post...

She also says that she wants to leave the band and can't perform with us anymore, even though we already have another 3 gigs lined up this month.

I don't waste time on people who want to quit. That's not firing them. That's letting them do what they said they wanted. Seems to me she already explained it to y'all.
 
Why not try to give someone the benefit of the doubt or at least let them explain themselves? It would be hard to have a successful band if you just fired someone for a single issue. We've all messed up at one point or another. Would you want to get fired on your first offense?

Im all about talking things out and seeing where people stand, but your situation is not a "firing a person on their first offense" type deal.
She left you hanging 4 days before a gig... okay, there may be a good reason for that. Lets talk.
She wants the rest of the band, YOU GUYS, to cancel because she did... we can talk about that, and that talk goes like this: "We are not putting the reputation of the band in jeopardy by cancelling 4 days before a gig, simple as that. We will find a sub"
She's angry that you didnt cancel and hired a sub, we can talk about that "Tough deal sister, you dont leave the band hanging and expect us not to work things out"
She expressed the desire to quit and leave you hanging. Whats more to talk about?
 
make contact with the venues in which you have gigs already lined up and make sure your ex singer doesn't try to cancel them out from under you.

Yes, do that! Had it happen to me when our 'chick singer/keyboardist' and her husband left, then took over our following gigs at a venue with the band they joined. FWIW, she sang a bit flat, but was cute and a shark at booking.
 
I really don't understand everyone here getting so upset. The OP handled the situation like a mature adult and treated the singer with respect and dignity. Certainly we would all hate to have a band member bail with so little lead time, and we might not be happy with that member. But we know so little about the situation to attack her for her actions, and even more to attack the OP for his compassion, just seems ridiculous. I haven't agreed with much twofingers has said, but I do have to agree that some of you are taking this too seriously.
 
I really don't understand everyone here getting so upset. The OP handled the situation like a mature adult and treated the singer with respect and dignity. Certainly we would all hate to have a band member bail with so little lead time, and we might not be happy with that member. But we know so little about the situation to attack her for her actions, and even more to attack the OP for his compassion, just seems ridiculous. I haven't agreed with much twofingers has said, but I do have to agree that some of you are taking this too seriously.

It's simple: the only acceptable action to take when there is a conflict in a band is to fire the offender or quit the band. At least as far as I've read on the BM side of these boards. There is no gray area, only SRS BSNS!
 
I really don't understand everyone here getting so upset. The OP handled the situation like a mature adult and treated the singer with respect and dignity. Certainly we would all hate to have a band member bail with so little lead time, and we might not be happy with that member. But we know so little about the situation to attack her for her actions, and even more to attack the OP for his compassion, just seems ridiculous. I haven't agreed with much twofingers has said, but I do have to agree that some of you are taking this too seriously.
Really? Singer bails 4 days before gig. Gets pissed when band subs out. Expected band to cancel gig. Then says she doesn't want to be in the band anymore! Sure.........what's there to be upset about?!?! :hmm: