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Unfortunately way too many times this is the best course of action as in my experience.
These guitarists have small penis's or something? In my area, no one is doing ear splitting volume in bars anymore. The current crop of young folk, hipsters, etc., doesn't like it, hence won't patronize clubs or bars unless bands play at a reasonable level.
might just be be the case. but: one of my projects is an instrumental 'jazz' band formulated to compete with rockers: we play lots of rock tunes, pretty loud i think, but at all times we're mindful of 'playing with' the other musicians. it may just be a different take on the relationships between the various instruments: i have to hear 'everything' in order to play my part. and so it goes with the others in the band.
we get too loud at times, but (and this is where your point about experience resonates with me), we just point it out and someone (or everyone) turns down. we might use the words "it's too loud," but that really translates to "have some respect, i'm trying to play here."
maybe: experience = respect.
I have two solutions.
1. Move the guitarists' ears to the back of their knees.
2. Put the guitar cabs in front of and firing at the player.
I suggested #2 to a LOUD guitarist once. He said "then it'll blow my head off". Well yeah, that's how we feel. He refused. I fulfilled my gig commitment then quit the group.
1. Move the guitarists' ears to the back of their knees.
2. Put the guitar cabs in front of and firing at the player.
I suggested #2 to a LOUD guitarist once. He said "then it'll blow my head off". Well yeah, that's how we feel. He refused. I fulfilled my gig commitment then quit the group.
No, most of them are truly hard of hearing from years of playing at '11'.
i still don't understand how adults can't just agree on what volume to play at. every thread in band management leaves my head shaking at the level of immaturity in the bands you all play in.
Aside from the great comedic reference, I think you hit the nail on the head!!
Just because they blew out their hearing, is no reason you should wreck yours as they compensate with added watts.
I recently read an article about clubs that don't hire bands, but have the usual juke-box through a hopped up sound system. The bars that feel they have to really 'crank it', are losing business to clubs that keep the music at a more reasonable level, as the demographic that hangs out actually prefers to talk to one another. This really is a sea change when compared to when I used to go out at night.
I made the exact same suggestion to a too loud guitarist once. His reponse? "Ugh, I hate that tone." Yes. His own tone. The very same one he'd been killing me with all night. LOL!
Played with another guitarist. We used to play 75-125 cap clubs, he ran through ... get ready:
Marshall 100 watt tube head
Marshall 4x12
AND ... AND ...
a 12" monitor in front of him running guitar only!
He still claimed that he couldn't hear himself. Never wears earplugs. Told me that he has to sleep with the TV on or else the ringing keeps him awake. Gee, ya think?
The VOX monitors in that band would kill a small dog.
Marshall 100 watt tube head
Marshall 4x12
AND ... AND ...
a 12" monitor in front of him running guitar only!
He still claimed that he couldn't hear himself. Never wears earplugs. Told me that he has to sleep with the TV on or else the ringing keeps him awake. Gee, ya think?
The VOX monitors in that band would kill a small dog.
Absolutely. I prefer to rehearse at non-earplug volumes, but that isn't always possible in a small, acoustically live rehearsal area. I have enough hearing loss in one ear that I wear earplugs any time I can do so and still hear what I'm playing.
And the comment was made earlier about "why do we need a second guitarist in a 60's band?"
Ever heard of rhythm guitar?
Finding an actual rhythm guitarist is nigh on impossible. Most two gutard bands have two lead players
. I was doing sound for a band that that had a fantastic rhythm player - when the two guitarists started butting heads I convinced the band to fire the lead player - those are a dime a dozen.
Yeah, when you find a real rhythm guitarist you volunteer to carry his amp.
My current one has his own trolley but we have to tell him to turn up. Hard finding the perfect guitar player.
My current one has his own trolley but we have to tell him to turn up. Hard finding the perfect guitar player.
Man, no drummers, no rhythm guitarists...now I remember why I left CT
You know, I hate the terms "lead guitar" and "rhythm guitar". Someone who can play guitar should be able to do both, even at the same time if needed.
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I agree with you - it's the same guitar.Man, no drummers, no rhythm guitarists...now I remember why I left CT
You know, I hate the terms "lead guitar" and "rhythm guitar". Someone who can play guitar should be able to do both, even at the same time if needed.
With that said - there have been some great rhythm guitariISTS - who have focused on being part of the rhythm section and supporting the soloist. Bob Weir is a classic example, at least in his role in the GD. John Lennon was another IMO.
I actually have several drummers available if anyone needs one.Man, no drummers, no rhythm guitarists...now I remember why I left CT
I've found that leaving off the labels ends up with no guitarist in the rhythm section
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