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Ugh... how to fix chipped finish

Discussion in 'Hardware, Setup & Repair [BG]' started by RobTheRiot, Jun 13, 2018.


  1. RobTheRiot

    RobTheRiot

    Aug 31, 2016
    las Vegas, nv
    TL;DR - how to I stop this from spreading/fix it until I can get it professionally fixed?

    I just did a NBD thread on this bass a month ago, a mint condition 2006 US 50th Anniversary Fender P Bass.
    Got a great price on it, and never being a Fender Guy, it won me over in the first minute of playing it. A great instrument.

    Anyway, I had decided to only take it out to more upscale gigs and for studio work. No need to put what can be a collectors bass in harms way when I have other Basses I love

    Anyway, I don’t know when it happened; I didn’t notice it till after I got home from only my second show with it, that was at a Lounge in an upscale casino. I know I didn’t hit it, so I can only guess that on break someone hit it somehow?!? I’m sick no matter how it happened.

    It’s a poly finish, but nice and thin as you can see...possibly why this bass has such amazing resonance.

    So, here are the pics.
    What is the best way to stop this from spreading and/or fixing it? I’m assuming it’ll need a professional touch up to get it back to mint, but in the meantime I just do t want it getting worse.

    Thanks!

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  2. Watching this thread to see if this is too big to be fixed via the "drop fill" technique (I don't have any advice in that regard.)

    As far as it "spreading", the best way to prevent that is to stop banging it into things. ;) It's not going to spread on it's own. It takes quite a wack to chip that poly, somebody probably knocked it over when you weren't looking.
     
  3. RobTheRiot

    RobTheRiot

    Aug 31, 2016
    las Vegas, nv
    Thanks for reply.

    That’s what I’m hoping, is that someone with more knowledge/experience than i can possibly help layout what the options are for a chip(s) of this size.
    It’s not huge, but it’s definitely not just a little pin prick either.

    Also wondering if I should wick ca around the chip in meantime to stabilize it, or if that’s even necessary and/or if that will make the repair more difficult.
     
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  4. James Collins

    James Collins

    Mar 25, 2017
    Augusta, GA
    I'm not an expert, but I think if you the hole with cyanoacrylate glue, you will make it more difficult to repair since they will have to remove that glue which will bond with the finish next to it. I've never had any of my chipped finishes spread. I don't know how any of my chips happened either. I've yet to fix any of them.

    If you want to keep it from spreading and avoid making further repairs more difficult, my first thought turns to masking tape as the solution...but it would be very noticeable.
     
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  5. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Supporting Member

    I would think about buying black dye from Stew-Mac and adding it to clear poly, then adding successive coats to the chipped areas, then sanding and polishing to get a gloss finish. I don't think it would hurt to use CA glue sparingly around the edges to nail them down, but the poly finish you add would have the same effect. I'd try not to touch or handle the area to keep finger oils off it, although before adding poly finish I'd wipe it off with denatured alcohol anyway.

    I'm sure one of the more experienced refin gents will be along soon to comment.
     
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  6. HeavyDuty

    HeavyDuty Supporting Curmudgeon Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2000
    Suburban Chicago, IL
    Whew, that’s more than I would try without having a good think about it first.

    But, carefully painting the exposed wood (but not the edges of the chipped clearcoat) opaque black, and then dropfilling using many very thin coats of poly finish might do it - CA is brittle, and those are very likely too large to make a durable fix using it.
     
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  7. RobTheRiot

    RobTheRiot

    Aug 31, 2016
    las Vegas, nv
    Just to clarify, @Pilgrim & @HeavyDuty both of you are talking about using the wipe-on poly they have at any hardware store?

    I actually finished one of my Basses in that & I’m really happy with it... may actually have some left.
    I believe I used the high gloss Miniwax wipe on poly.

    Thanks everyone for your help!
     
  8. delta7fred

    delta7fred

    Jul 3, 2007
    England
    It won't spread unless it gets knocked again.

    I would strongly advise against putting anything on it if you intend to have it fixed professionally. Almost anything you put on now will need removing before a proper repair can be made, making it more difficult (and costly).
     
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  9. ddnidd1

    ddnidd1 Supporting Member

    If you want it to look close to normal, have it repaired by an Experienced Pro for finishes - not the local guitar 'tech'.
     
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  10. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Supporting Member

    More good advice ^^. Chances of your DIY repair looking as good as that of a pro are a bit limited. The idea of coloring the wood black before attempting any kind of fill is an excellent one, as it eliminates a lot of variation in color based on the thickness of fill coats. A nice new black Sharpie can be your friend.
     
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2018
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  11. Tony In Philly

    Tony In Philly Supporting Member

    Oct 25, 2007
    Filthydelphia, USA
    Ninety percent of those mysterious kind of dings are caused by clumsy drummers.
     
  12. JRA

    JRA my words = opinion Supporting Member

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  13. Spidey2112

    Spidey2112

    Aug 3, 2016
    Blows, man... sorry it happened.
     
  14. Mister Boh

    Mister Boh

    Oct 23, 2016
    Annapolis, MD
    I have a couple of those that have been stable for 15 years or so.

    It sucks but it happens. Let it go, embrace the battle scars. You will probably be dead before a 2006 instrument appreciates noticeably anyways and a refin/repair would make that pretty much never I'd wager.
     
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  15. HeavyDuty

    HeavyDuty Supporting Curmudgeon Staff Member Gold Supporting Member

    Jun 26, 2000
    Suburban Chicago, IL
    I think the wipe-on might be the wrong consistency, too thin - you need something with body. You’re definitely into “hold my beer and watch this” country if you try to fix it yourself... but just think how good you will feel if you pull it off?
     
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  16. RobTheRiot

    RobTheRiot

    Aug 31, 2016
    las Vegas, nv
    Haha!
    Well put... maybe best to just get it done by an expert.

    It just really ticks me off; this Bass was in mint condition - def one of the nicest Basses I’ve owned... and even with the conscious effort to keep it out of harms way this still happens.

    An experienced tech should be able to make this blend in & virtually invisible, correct?
     
  17. James Collins

    James Collins

    Mar 25, 2017
    Augusta, GA
    I couldn't agree more. The thing that made me accept all these dings was that one day I will be dead and everything I own will have rotted away. Best to enjoy what you have while you have it.
     
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  18. RobTheRiot

    RobTheRiot

    Aug 31, 2016
    las Vegas, nv
    Thanks - good to know it’s probably stable, and I don’t have to worry about it spreading.

    It’s funny, I always take good care of my instruments but have never worried about wear & tear accumulated from use. It’s a bass made to be played - on stage - with people - where things can get bumped. In some ways I think sings can sometimes be like tattoos or scars, each one probably has a good story behind it.

    I’m also def not saving this as some investment or it wouldn’t leave it’s case.
    This one just bothers me because it’s a beautiful bass, and this wasn’t average wear & tear, it’s a sizable chip, that stands out, and that’s a complete mystery.

    I’ll get it repaired or repair it at some point, because it does contrast so much against the dark finish, and it doesn’t have a good story.

    Other than that, once I get a little bit of whining about it out of the way (this thread, I guess) it’ll be forgotten, especially when I’m playing it, because it truly is a dream to play.
     
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  19. Thespis

    Thespis

    Feb 2, 2016
    Sharpie doesn't stay black forever. Over time, it will fade to dark purple.
     
  20. 202dy

    202dy Supporting Member

    Sep 26, 2006
    Dissenting opinion:

    The proper repair is a drop fill. It is simply larger, which is not a problem, and curved, which is more challenging. All standard drop fill techniques apply.

    A couple of notes on challenges:
    1. If you place any color under medium viscosity CA it will tend to migrate into the glue. That will dilute the color. A seal coat of of shellac is a good idea. Nitro will also work if the color is dry, as will acrylic. Vinyl might. Test on scrap.
    2. It doesn't matter if you get CA on the surrounding finish. As a matter of fact, that's what you want. It will be ground off during the leveling process and finished smooth during rub out.
    3. CA is not that brittle, especially when applied over large areas. It is actually gummy. That makes it easier to scrape with ease. Clean your files as you work. Swap out sandpaper as soon as it begins to load.
    4. Curves are a challenge. In repair work of this sort, "challenge" translates to "time consuming." If you have a good eye and feel it's not a big deal. If you don't, then it is better to start with a much larger drop fill and grind until the flats are true but raised and the curves are fair but raised before starting rub out. Raised is a roughly .010" or less.
    5. Most importantly for this particular repair, treat the two areas as one. It is one giant drop fill. If you attempt to do each separately it is likely to take twice as long and create four times the frustration.
     
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