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Uh oh...

I don't mean to be hard on Mike, or anyone. This is the third time he has commented on one of my posts and it is written in a tone that sounds as if he's talking down to me. If it's in a monkey business OT thread then I'll let it pass in good humor. If it's in a thread where I'm trying to have a semi-serious conversation, then I find it a little annoying. I'm just an over sensitive grouch I guess. :atoz:

I've broken bread (well...drank far too many beers maybe) with Mike, and can assure you that you are definitely overreacting to him, and he is absolutely far more informed, refined, and intelligent than you are taking him for. :)

I was truly mind-boggled that an AI-equipped toilet paper dispenser with a blimp in his garage was so eloquent and well spoken.

Not to mention, an ace at beer drinking.

Oh, and he's a Saints fan, so that makes him all shiny and special.

:)

(....yeah, you're definitely in need of a refurbishing of your humor module if you're getting your dander up about ANYTHING Mike says ;)....)
 
Yeah bad choice of words, sorry. More like going to see a monument in Wash DC. A place of interest I think is a better description. By no means was I trying to compare it to a happy place. Sorry for the confusion. :confused:

No probs mate. The JSA can be a bit deceiving, and your brother is quite right. It is a place of interest, and if you ever get to Korea, you owe it to yourself to go take a peek.
 
The World does have control. What makes them a nation? They are not involved in any a legal trading with other nations (although I may be wrong but if they do not enough to justify it) There occupants are not treated as citizens.

Seriously though what defining factors make them a "real" nation? Cause they own land I guess? But I would like to know cause I'm starting Basstopia.

And it is being "allowed". Cause if they had oil you bet our red white and blue butts would be running that place.LOL!

When you form BASSTOPIA, I'll put my application in for "Minister of Everything". I think I would be good at it!
 
Looks to me as if they were actually on the border of International Territorial waters - not South Korea's border. A border that is not recognized by North Korea.
My point was that they were off the coast of their own island. I don't consider that provocation enough for what happened. I don't even consider it provocation.
Nothing warrants the murder of 46 people, but if one sends one's military men and equipment into a provocational stance with a country known for it's crazy, over reacting military leadership - then be prepared to suffer the consequences. If ya don't want to get stung, don't go stirrin' up the hornet nest.
I wonder what would happen if an "unfriendly" foreign country sent a military vessel within twelve miles of the US coastline uninvited?
Covered by others. Nothing was sunk.


BTW Mike; Please fill out your profile so I know know your age.
Done.
I have have read many of your posts and find them so unintelligent...
That would explain my kindergarten GPA. Coloring and shapes were a bitch...
redundant...
I count splitting hairs and beating dead horses among my hobbies.
unenlightening...
If you've come to TB looking for personal fulfillment, I really can't help you.
and immature...
What? The blimp gag was original and very high-brow. It began as a commentary about the Amps and Basses forum and how it looked as though a vocal portion of the membership was asserting their superiority through purchasing. I went with a blimp because, well, it's harder to get than a Trace V-8. Now, the baby-fighting thing, well, you might have a point.
I would rather not waste my time or energy conversing with a mere lad. Have a nice day. -Ryan
Then, by all means, move along. Life's too short to get worked up over a post on the internet. Speaking of....
I don't mean to be hard on Mike, or anyone. This is the third time he has commented on one of my posts and it is written in a tone that sounds as if he's talking down to me. If it's in a monkey business OT thread then I'll let it pass in good humor. If it's in a thread where I'm trying to have a semi-serious conversation, then I find it a little annoying. I'm just an over sensitive grouch I guess. :atoz:
Three times? I'll be honest, I had to do a search because I don't remember any of them.

For those too lazy to go through the trouble (not counting the one post in this thread...unless this makes 4, then not counting the TWO posts in this thread), the other two offending responses are in a healthcare thread from early March, or 2.5 months ago for those of you who have trouble with math. Prior to that, there were two other posts in 2008 where Ryan can be seen saying "I agree with you, Mike".

So, while you apparently have problems with other things I've posts about subjects I can't even begin to narrow down, I'll just prefer to remember you as the guy that posted "I agree with you, Mike". .....and the guy that gave me a new sig.

Mike

EDIT:The sig was too long to fit. If you've got anything in the other barrel, give it a go, but please keep it under 200 characters.
 
"So, while you apparently have problems with other things I've posts about subjects I can't even begin to narrow down, I'll just prefer to remember you as the guy that posted "I agree with you, Mike". .....and the guy that gave me a new sig.

Mike

EDIT:The sig was too long to fit. If you've got anything in the other barrel, give it a go, but please keep it under 200 characters."

You should just sig him saying "I agree with you, Mike".
 
"So, while you apparently have problems with other things I've posts about subjects I can't even begin to narrow down, I'll just prefer to remember you as the guy that posted "I agree with you, Mike". .....and the guy that gave me a new sig.

Mike

EDIT:The sig was too long to fit. If you've got anything in the other barrel, give it a go, but please keep it under 200 characters."

You should just sig him saying "I agree with you, Mike".
Nah. Turner PM'd me "I agree with everything you've said" the other day in response to a PM I sent him. That was good, but the following is just gold:

BTW Mike; Please fill out your profile so I know know your age. I have have read many of your posts and find them so unintelligent, redundant, unenlightening and immature I would rather not waste my time or energy conversing with a mere lad. Have a nice day.
It seems he took issue with the three posts in which I quoted him in the last few months, but that is pretty much the extent of our interaction over the last few years. Since those posts weren't that bad (pretty civil, if you ask me), I'm led to believe he has more of an issue with other things I've posted.

Having been around here a while and had my share of people go out of their way to tell me how they feel, I know how this usually works. I participate in OT quite a bit and as such my opinions on various snippets of society are widely available. While what isn't known about me here would just about fill the Library of Congress, those little tidbits are usually enough for some to get worked up and form a definitive opinion.

I've even been told that, based soley on what was seen in OT, this other guy was positive we would never see eye to eye on anything. Literally. Amusingly, a simple check of his previous threads would show that I tend to agree with him somewhere between 1/3 to 1/2 the time. But....people don't remember that stuff, they only remember what they want to remember.

So, that's my theory. Some of my thoughts have probably fit a particular profile he's accustomed to disliking and the rest was filled in, true or not. I'm glad he didn't include "uninspired" in the list. That would have hurt more than the others combined.

On the other hand, maybe he just doesn't like sarcasm.

Mike
 
North Korea is the world's Jeff Berlin.





:hiding:

That's messed up to compare a musician with a totalitarian hell hole that destroys all good things. And besides, we all know that Fieldy = North Korea.

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May 22, 2010

U.S. Implicates North Korean Leader in Attack

By DAVID E. SANGER

WASHINGTON — A new American intelligence analysis of a deadly torpedo attack on a South Korean warship concludes that Kim Jong-il, the ailing leader of North Korea, must have authorized the torpedo assault, according to senior American officials who cautioned that the assessment was based on their sense of the political dynamics there rather than hard evidence.

The officials said they were increasingly convinced that Mr. Kim ordered the sinking of the ship, the Cheonan, to help secure the succession of his youngest son.

“We can’t say it is established fact,” said one senior American official who was involved in the highly classified assessment, based on information collected by many of the country’s 16 intelligence agencies. “But there is very little doubt, based on what we know about the current state of the North Korean leadership and the military.”

Nonetheless, both the conclusion and the timing of the assessment could be useful to the United States as it seeks to rally support against North Korea.

On Monday, South Korea’s president, Lee Myung-bak, who has moved cautiously since the assault, is expected to call for the United Nations Security Council to condemn the attack and is likely to terminate the few remaining trade ties between North and South that provide the North with hard currency.

But those steps have little chance of proving meaningful unless China, which hosted Mr. Kim two weeks ago, agrees to join the condemnation and refuses to make up whatever revenue North Korea loses from any trade embargoes. China, North Korea’s last true ally, has traditionally been reluctant to pressure the North too much, even when the North Koreans conducted nuclear tests, for fear of toppling the government and sending a flood of refugees across its border.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will be in Beijing when the South Korean action is announced, leading a delegation of 200 American officials, including roughly half of the Obama administration’s cabinet, in an annual “strategic dialogue” with Chinese leaders on a variety of economic and political issues.

So far, at least in public, both American and South Korean leaders have been careful never to link Mr. Kim to the sinking of the Cheonan in March, which killed 46 sailors. Officials said that was in part because of the absence of hard evidence — difficult to come by in the rigidly controlled North — but also largely because both countries were trying to avoid playing into Mr. Kim’s hands by casting one of the worst attacks since the 1953 armistice as another piece of lore about the Kim family taking on South Korea and the West.

The North’s state propaganda surrounding that imagery has been used by the Kim family to sustain two generations of leaders since the end of World War II. Under the leading theory of the American intelligence agencies, Mr. Kim ordered the attack to re-establish both his control and his credentials after a debilitating stroke two years ago, and by extension reinforcing his right to name his son Kim Jong-un as his successor.

North Korea has denied any involvement in the attack, despite the presentation of forensic evidence on Thursday — including parts of the torpedo found in the wreckage — that experts from three countries said established that the torpedo was launched from a North Korean submarine.

Although the American officials who spoke about the intelligence assessment would not reveal much about what led them to conclude that Mr. Kim was directly involved, one factor appeared to be intelligence that he appeared on April 25, the anniversary of the founding of the Korean People’s Army, with a military unit that intelligence agencies believe to have been responsible for the attack.

Mr. Kim used the event to praise the group, Unit 586, the officials said, and around that time a fourth star appears to have been given to Gen. Kim Myong-guk, who officials believe may have played a crucial role in executing the attack. General Kim is believed to have been demoted to a three-star general last year, perhaps in response to the humiliation that took place after a North Korean ship ventured into South Korean waters. The North Korean ship was all but destroyed, and some analysts believe the attack on the Cheonan, which was in South Korean waters, was planned as retribution.

“Nobody is going to take overt credit for the sinking,” said Jonathan Pollack, a professor at the Naval War College and an expert on North Korea’s military. “But Kim’s visit to this unit has all the hallmarks of congratulating them for a job well done.”

The senior American officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the intelligence assessment is classified, said they ruled out the idea that General Kim or another military officer decided on his own to attack, but they did not explain how they reached that conclusion.

Victor Cha, a North Korea expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington and a former official in the National Security Council during President George W. Bush’s second term in office, noted that when Mr. Kim was on the rise three decades ago, “there were similar incidents designed to build his credibility” as a leader.

The Cheonan episode has posed some difficult choices for the Obama administration at a time when its national security team is preoccupied with Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran.

In an intense series of back-channel discussions with Mr. Lee, senior administration officials, including President Obama, have praised South Korea for its calm response. Like the South Koreans, American officials fear that any military retaliation against the North could quickly escalate, leading to rocket attacks on Seoul, major casualties and a panic among investors in South Korea. At the same time, they worry that if North Korea gets through the episode without paying a price — one that American officials decline to define — it could embolden the North Korean military.

The North Korean defense commission, which rarely issues public statements, turned out a fiery-sounding warning last week, saying it would respond to any military retaliation with “all-out war.”
 
So our two options are to enforce sanctions/ miltary action and cause 'all out war' or to ignore the murders and possibly embolden their military to further attacks?

I wonder if our response is waiting on the Chinese response...

Although it seems that we are forced to ignore them since it is human nature to avoid bloodshed