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- Thread starter MakiSupaStar
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They have a market place on the DMZ between NK & SK???
(...I believe the spelling you were looking for was "bizarre"...)
LOL! Oops! I stand corrected!
I feel at this point in our collective history we are criminals for allowing one person control a nation as such. We meaning the world as a collective. The thing is that the people of N.Korea are prisoners. They are not allowed to leave. And N.Korea serves no purpose. They don't export/import. What good are they? Maybe I am being a bit harsh, but really can anything good come out of allowing this to go on?
My brother taught english in South Korea. He said when he visted the border is was almost like a vacation destination. In the meaning that it was a place of interest. You can see the people in N.Korea but you cant call them, email them. Like they are ghosts. He said they have those binoculars like at the Statue of Liberty/Niagara falls.
Well at this point where I can play Call of Duty with a kid from Brazil, a mom from Sweden and the markets in Greece can effect the markets in the US, I would say it has an effect on everyone's life directly or indirectly. Think of all the N.Korean teenagers I could be owning in online gaming!! LOL! J/K
So would you have a problem with any country's secession from the global community, or is it just North Korea in particular?
They export weapons to some of the slimiest regimes out there.
That's the rub. You will never get worldwide cooperation and unified action because someone, somewhere finds them useful for whatever reason. You will also get lack of cooperation between nations because there are nations out there whose hatred and distrust for each other far outweighs any pity or feeling of obligation to help the NK people.
That and the UN is a joke.
The Korean war was stopped essentially to avoid a WW3. China was already involved, Soviet pilots were clandestinely flying many of the MIG's that we were fighting in the air and we were starting to take our gloves off. It reached a point where a cease fire was called before it tipped over the brink and there it's sat since 1953!
I'm about halfway through A Bright Shining Lie and one of Sheehan's observations about Korea was that we (the US) didn't really care about it until we stood to lose it.
Looks to me as if they were actually on the border of International Territorial waters - not South Korea's border. A border that is not recognized by North Korea.
Nothing warrants the murder of 46 people, but if one sends one's military men and equipment into a provocational stance with a country known for it's crazy, over reacting military leadership - then be prepared to suffer the consequences. If ya don't want to get stung, don't go stirrin' up the hornet nest.
I wonder what would happen if an "unfriendly" foreign country sent a military vessel within twelve miles of the US coastline uninvited?
BTW Mike; Please fill out your profile so I know know your age. I have have read many of your posts and find them so unintelligent, redundant, unenlightening and immature I would rather not waste my time or energy conversing with a mere lad. Have a nice day. -Ryan
TheVoiceless, Please, no offense to your brother, but it's not vacation destination. It may look a little relaxed, but it's not. The NK soldiers are so close it's a bit unnerving, and that set of binoculars he saw were not binoculars, it was a camera, and the NK's were taking pictures of every person who visits the DMZ. What they use the pics for is anybodys guess, but they use alot of film lol. All the weapons are loaded, especially in the case of the ROK Special Forces who man the border, and they can and will be used. Tank blocks, motion detectors, and mine fields line the road going up to the U.S. camp, and the bus you have to transfer to is armored. I've seen more than one American tourist escorted back to Camp Bonifas for pointing, flipping off, or calling out to the NK's. I once saw an American teenager thrown to the ground for putting his arm around a ROK guard trying to get his picture. Vacation destination? Hawaii sounds better to me!
Wow. You don't know Mike? He had his own forum for a little while. You've been here since 2005 and this is the first you've heard of the king of zing and his blimp?
Oh, It's happened many many many times. Of the coast of Alaska we've escorted Soviet bombers away, Cuban military vessels near Florida, Russian "civilian fishing trawlers" who accidentally wandered into US coastal waters.. the list goes on.
I see your point but I very much disagree. NK makes all sorts of outlandish claims and has their own version of what they feel is international law etc. If SK were to abide by NK's wishes and semi-insane claims, no ship would be able to leave port.. SK had every right to be where they were. I'm not going to guess what they were doing there, it may or may not have been provocational. But then again, if the North Koreans were enforcing their "territory" then why not just admit that they torpedoed the ship? They've been strongly denying it.
BTW - why so hard on Mike??
i don't think you are being harsh, and no, nothing good is going to come of this (or has for the last 60 yrs), but you have twice used the verb "allow" as if the world has control. they are an independent nation (as messed up as they may be). ultimately, people can do whatever they want. usually there are consequences. of course, depending on how you do it and where you do it, the consequences may be that you end up on death row or leader of a "movement."
global politics is a very difficult chess game. as fun as it sounds, we really can't (that is, don't want to) send in the big guns to take 'em all out. we can pressure them, but as has been stated, its the poor and disenfranchised that lose, not the leadership. as naivee as it sounded when posted earlier, encouraging change from within is probly the most enlightened act, though in this case (as well as other oppressive regimes) it is not likely to result in much.
can you imagine a starving, disgruntled populace that is so scared it won't revolt? creepy stuff. the NK government is backed into a corner and they know it. thus they fight back harder.
so yeah, i will join the chorus, "ouch!"
Brilliantly said! The only rational thing we can hope for is that the NK govt will collapse under its own greedy, ignorant, egotistical weight and not take their poor, starving people with them.
N.Korea in particular. If a bunch of bass players want to start a Basstopia in the Congo and call in Rumble in the Jungle I would be ok with it, as long as the didn't use the power of low frequencies to destroy the neighboring nations structures.
Seriously, there is no more separation at this time in history. We are quickly becoming citizens of the world, for better for worse.
I have been here a while and I have read many of his posts, but no, I don't know who he is.Wow. You don't know Mike? He had his own forum for a little while. You've been here since 2005 and this is the first you've heard of the king of zing and his blimp?
I agree and living right on the coast know of encroachments by foreign vessels - both Russian and Japanese. Fortunately the US a reasonable nation.
I remember watching this on the news and looking at the map and saying to myself "it looks as if this was provocation, as the SK ship is so close to the NK territory." Just thought I'd throw it into the thread to see if anyone shared the same view.
I don't argue that it was wrong to sink the SK ship and kill 46 men. Of course it was wrong. But it's as if you're expecting a rational response from an irrational leader.
As far as "Oh oh", this happened a month ago and there hasn't been a blinding white flash over there yet. I don't believe the US military was put on "high alert" over this incident. Of course the US gov't proclaimed it an "act of aggression", blah, blah.
I don't mean to be hard on Mike, or anyone. This is the third time he has commented on one of my posts and it is written in a tone that sounds as if he's talking down to me. If it's in a monkey business OT thread then I'll let it pass in good humor. If it's in a thread where I'm trying to have a semi-serious conversation, then I find it a little annoying. I'm just an over sensitive grouch I guess.
Yeah bad choice of words, sorry. More like going to see a monument in Wash DC. A place of interest I think is a better description. By no means was I trying to compare it to a happy place. Sorry for the confusion.
Of course the world needs to be a more unified place to organize against a rouge nation. But like everything else in life, until it happens in your back yard you don't care.
The World does have control. What makes them a nation? They are not involved in any a legal trading with other nations (although I may be wrong but if they do not enough to justify it) There occupants are not treated as citizens.
Seriously though what defining factors make them a "real" nation? Cause they own land I guess? But I would like to know cause I'm starting Basstopia.
And it is being "allowed". Cause if they had oil you bet our red white and blue butts would be running that place.LOL!
